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4 months. 1800 miles. Bad battery?

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I started my truck Friday morning. About 25 degrees outside. Ran about 10 minutes to get my kid to the bus and parked it. Friday night it was dead. Had to jump start. Drive about a 15 mile loop. Parked again and turned off. Immediately tried to restart and nothing. Just clicks.

Jumped it to drive to the dealer and now it’s been sitting for 4 day’s waiting for a “warranty test” on the battery?

Has anyone else had this issue yet?
 
I started my truck Friday morning. About 25 degrees outside. Ran about 10 minutes to get my kid to the bus and parked it. Friday night it was dead. Had to jump start. Drive about a 15 mile loop. Parked again and turned off. Immediately tried to restart and nothing. Just clicks.

Jumped it to drive to the dealer and now it’s been sitting for 4 day’s waiting for a “warranty test” on the battery?

Has anyone else had this issue yet?
I read something here about some gen14 batteries being problematic (being unusually low voltage while sitting). Sitting at the dealer for 4 days for a battery test is painful.
 
I read something here about some gen14 batteries being problematic (being unusually low voltage while sitting). Sitting at the dealer for 4 days for a battery test is painful.
That's weird because I think it's an AGM, so operating voltage should be higher than typical.
 
I've had my truck now for a week, this morning was the 3rd time the truck has gone into deep sleep mode. After driving home from work yesterday (30 minutes on the highway) and took a voltage measurement, it was 12.49 Vdc. Before I left for work this am, (truck in deep sleep mode again and temp was 19 F) voltage was at 11.44 Vdc damn near dead. I have made sure that no lights were left on overnight, nothing plugged into the ports ect. Pretty sure its a knackered battery. Called my dealership yesterday we will find out today what they say. Just took a voltage measurement after being at work for 1.5hr it was at 12.45 Vdc
 
I've had my truck now for a week, this morning was the 3rd time the truck has gone into deep sleep mode. After driving home from work yesterday (30 minutes on the highway) and took a voltage measurement, it was 12.49 Vdc. Before I left for work this am, (truck in deep sleep mode again and temp was 19 F) voltage was at 11.44 Vdc damn near dead. I have made sure that no lights were left on overnight, nothing plugged into the ports ect. Pretty sure its a knackered battery. Called my dealership yesterday we will find out today what they say. Just took a voltage measurement after being at work for 1.5hr it was at 12.45 Vdc
11.44 is dead and in the damage level. 12 volts is roughly 40% of charge. But you can only really use up to 50%. Unlike a LiPo/Li-ion where you can go 80-100%. The 12.49 and 12.45 are probably the surface charge since you have driven the car and the temps warmed up. Unless you used a load tester. Probably a bad cell. I personally believe the trucks have a hard time keeping the AGM charged unless on long drives. My truck sits all the time and so does my Expedition. I always have to through the AGM charger on them to keep them topped off. Expy is worse since it has the auto start stop. But I have not had to replace a Ford battery yet. I want to get an Antigravity Li-ion with the re start feature when mine goes bad.
 
I read something here about some gen14 batteries being problematic (being unusually low voltage while sitting). Sitting at the dealer for 4 days for a battery test is painful.
I think many battery manufacturers have had "COVID" quality issues. I have heard of bad batteries happening on new vehicles less than a year old from many different brands (Ford, Kia, GM, etc.)
 
11.44 is dead and in the damage level. 12 volts is roughly 40% of charge. But you can only really use up to 50%. Unlike a LiPo/Li-ion where you can go 80-100%. The 12.49 and 12.45 are probably the surface charge since you have driven the car and the temps warmed up. Unless you used a load tester. Probably a bad cell. I personally believe the trucks have a hard time keeping the AGM charged unless on long drives. My truck sits all the time and so does my Expedition. I always have to through the AGM charger on them to keep them topped off. Expy is worse since it has the auto start stop. But I have not had to replace a Ford battery yet. I want to get an Antigravity Li-ion with the re start feature when mine goes bad.
$900 for a loss of 40lbs and a start feature that can cause the battery to wear out quicker. No thanks. I could see it used in a sports car, especially one used for races, I do think it's a neat feature but still needs some improvement and the cost to come down to around $500 before I would consider this a viable option. Jmo
 
11.44 is dead and in the damage level. 12 volts is roughly 40% of charge. But you can only really use up to 50%. Unlike a LiPo/Li-ion where you can go 80-100%. The 12.49 and 12.45 are probably the surface charge since you have driven the car and the temps warmed up. Unless you used a load tester. Probably a bad cell. I personally believe the trucks have a hard time keeping the AGM charged unless on long drives. My truck sits all the time and so does my Expedition. I always have to through the AGM charger on them to keep them topped off. Expy is worse since it has the auto start stop. But I have not had to replace a Ford battery yet. I want to get an Antigravity Li-ion with the re start feature when mine goes bad.
I have an apt this next Wednesday to have them test the battery, so dumb question is an AGM charger any different that your average trickle charger? I took voltage measurements every hour while I was at work, Hood was in the first unlatch position, and no key on me. Voltage after an hour at work was 14.45 Vdc, 7 hours later when I went to leave it was down to 12.15 Vdc in roughly 25 degree weather. I personally think that's too much of a voltage drop in "good" (Minnesnowta) weather conditions for a healthy battery or at minimum something is having an excess draw on that battery that's out of the norm.
 
$900 for a loss of 40lbs and a start feature that can cause the battery to wear out quicker. No thanks. I could see it used in a sports car, especially one used for races, I do think it's a neat feature but still needs some improvement and the cost to come down to around $500 before I would consider this a viable option. Jmo
I agree. I use a LiPo for my trolling motor but that’s so I can run one 36V instead on three 12Vs. Saves 100+ pounds and a lot of space. Couldn’t justify it otherwise.
 
I have an apt this next Wednesday to have them test the battery, so dumb question is an AGM charger any different that your average trickle charger? I took voltage measurements every hour while I was at work, Hood was in the first unlatch position, and no key on me. Voltage after an hour at work was 14.45 Vdc, 7 hours later when I went to leave it was down to 12.15 Vdc in roughly 25 degree weather. I personally think that's too much of a voltage drop in "good" (Minnesnowta) weather conditions for a healthy battery or at minimum something is having an excess draw on that battery that's out of the norm.
The draw on the battery comes from various things, connected services, sensors for the security, stuff of that nature, try setting your OTA to only do it at a certain time, park your vehicle where their is less traffic and see if that helps. It may or may not but the only way to know is to try it, I would do it myself but I drive all the time, at least 250 miles a week.
 
$900 for a loss of 40lbs and a start feature that can cause the battery to wear out quicker. No thanks. I could see it used in a sports car, especially one used for races, I do think it's a neat feature but still needs some improvement and the cost to come down to around $500 before I would consider this a viable option. Jmo
But we know you're cheap, I bet Harbor Freight will get you covered soon. it's the life, power and capacity the battery has that makes it worth it. Then add BS, like 4 days at a dealer or not trusting your car to start, having to top them off with a charger every month. And no it won't shorten the life of the battery. They have BMS's built in, you can even monitor them with an app. If I decide to get the RedArc system I will probably get two. New tech is expensive. But you can take it out and put it in the next truck. It doesn't have to stay. Cost of the lifetime ownership is close to the same overall cost of multiple battery replacements. Pay now or pay later? They are game changers in RV's with solar. I put myself through college installing car stereos and people thought $300.00 Optima battery was crazy priced when they first came out. Most people thought AGM was a flash in the pan. Look where that ended up, oh ya in your Ford.

I have an apt this next Wednesday to have them test the battery, so dumb question is an AGM charger any different that your average trickle charger? I took voltage measurements every hour while I was at work, Hood was in the first unlatch position, and no key on me. Voltage after an hour at work was 14.45 Vdc, 7 hours later when I went to leave it was down to 12.15 Vdc in roughly 25 degree weather. I personally think that's too much of a voltage drop in "good" (Minnesnowta) weather conditions for a healthy battery or at minimum something is having an excess draw on that battery that's out of the norm.

Yes, you need a AGM ready battery charger if you want to full charge a discharged AGM. They have a different charge profile. Most lead acid charges will tell you a dead AGM 40% or less are not good or at a fault because of their low voltage state. Back before smart chargers we use to put a full lead acid jumper cabled to the dead AGM and put the dumb charger on the lead acid to trick the charger.
 
But we know you're cheap, I bet Harbor Freight will get you covered soon. it's the life, power and capacity the battery has that makes it worth it. Then add BS, like 4 days at a dealer or not trusting your car to start, having to top them off with a charger every month. And no it won't shorten the life of the battery. They have BMS's built in, you can even monitor them with an app. If I decide to get the RedArc system I will probably get two. New tech is expensive. But you can take it out and put it in the next truck. It doesn't have to stay. Cost of the lifetime ownership is close to the same overall cost of multiple battery replacements. Pay now or pay later? They are game changers in RV's with solar. I put myself through college installing car stereos and people thought $300.00 Optima battery was crazy priced when they first came out. Most people thought AGM was a flash in the pan. Look where that ended up, oh ya in your Ford.



Yes, you need a AGM ready battery charger if you want to full charge a discharged AGM. They have a different charge profile. Most lead acid charges will tell you a dead AGM 40% or less are not good or at a fault because of their low voltage state. Back before smart chargers we use to put a full lead acid jumper cabled to the dead AGM and put the dumb charger on the lead acid to trick the charger.
Yup, I'm cheap too. But I build batteries. There is nothing in that chemistry that tells me it's a good idea to push 17C through it.

I was pretty stoked until I watched the video. He's saying stuff that is an absolute no-go with LFP chemistry. It could be he's on the business side of the equation but the internal engineers should have stopped him from saying silly shit.

The only way I can think of doing that is having either a type of capacitor inline or solinoid integrated in the case. Even doing something like a 96V battery with a high current solid state stepdown converter but the cost.. ouch.

Even in my 'A+' cells, (basically the lowest ir and I match them in 48V arrays), I'm not recommending anything more than 3C discharge for exceptions.

Here is my opinion on LFP chemistry. I absolutely love it. Not as much energy density as LiPo or Li-Ion but it's super stable, not prone to fire or explosion (at all) and in general it's charge cycle rating starts around 1000 cycles for 'B' grade cells. Mine are rated over 4000 (I think 8000) cycles. That's literally decades of use. For a starter? Not at that size.

I made some 24V 280AH batteries that I would trust to reconfigure as a starter battery but that's just over 100 pounds and the size of two type 47 AGMs.

That all said, I would recommend LFP for the "house battery" and either AGM for the truck or have whomever installs your RedArc to lookup making a hybrid setup where an AGM or semi-solid state battery (tiny) is your discharge (0 degrees F, 30 seconds and doesn't drop below 7.3? V. Think motorcycle battery size) and LFP manages the normal power fluctuations for the truck. and recharges the starter battery.

if you're going to ignore me on the above, at least check out Dakota Lithium in your search. They offer that type of battery too and I think they make very good quality batteries.
 
I agree. I use a LiPo for my trolling motor but that’s so I can run one 36V instead on three 12Vs. Saves 100+ pounds and a lot of space. Couldn’t justify it otherwise.
After all the fun I've had with LiPo, I switched to LifePo4 (LFP) and never looked back. Especially for salt or brackish water.
 
After all the fun I've had with LiPo, I switched to LifePo4 (LFP) and never looked back. Especially for salt or brackish water.
Ah sorry. Yeah that’s what I’ve got.

I also got the 12v/36v combo charger which makes for a nice setup to charge both starting batteries and the 36v.

 
Yup, I'm cheap too. But I build batteries. There is nothing in that chemistry that tells me it's a good idea to push 17C through it.

I was pretty stoked until I watched the video. He's saying stuff that is an absolute no-go with LFP chemistry. It could be he's on the business side of the equation but the internal engineers should have stopped him from saying silly shit.

The only way I can think of doing that is having either a type of capacitor inline or solinoid integrated in the case. Even doing something like a 96V battery with a high current solid state stepdown converter but the cost.. ouch.

Even in my 'A+' cells, (basically the lowest ir and I match them in 48V arrays), I'm not recommending anything more than 3C discharge for exceptions.

Here is my opinion on LFP chemistry. I absolutely love it. Not as much energy density as LiPo or Li-Ion but it's super stable, not prone to fire or explosion (at all) and in general it's charge cycle rating starts around 1000 cycles for 'B' grade cells. Mine are rated over 4000 (I think 8000) cycles. That's literally decades of use. For a starter? Not at that size.

I made some 24V 280AH batteries that I would trust to reconfigure as a starter battery but that's just over 100 pounds and the size of two type 47 AGMs.

That all said, I would recommend LFP for the "house battery" and either AGM for the truck or have whomever installs your RedArc to lookup making a hybrid setup where an AGM or semi-solid state battery (tiny) is your discharge (0 degrees F, 30 seconds and doesn't drop below 7.3? V. Think motorcycle battery size) and LFP manages the normal power fluctuations for the truck. and recharges the starter battery.

if you're going to ignore me on the above, at least check out Dakota Lithium in your search. They offer that type of battery too and I think they make very good quality batteries.
You would think a DC to DC charger would let you run both styles no problem. I have seen many rigs with stock or AGM in the engine bay and different batteries in the house. I have Battle Borns in my RV and they have been great. I think Dakota Lithium is cheaper but Battle Born was first to market. A lot of off-roaders are giving these new batteries a shot and have loved them. Like I said, everyone was scared of the AGM when they came out and they are the standard now. Time will tell.

After all the fun I've had with LiPo, I switched to LifePo4 (LFP) and never looked back. Especially for salt or brackish water.
So there is a difference between LifePo4 and LifePo4 lithium?
 
You would think a DC to DC charger would let you run both styles no problem. I have seen many rigs with stock or AGM in the engine bay and different batteries in the house. I have Battle Borns in my RV and they have been great. I think Dakota Lithium is cheaper but Battle Born was first to market. A lot of off-roaders are giving these new batteries a shot and have loved them. Like I said, everyone was scared of the AGM when they came out and they are the standard now. Time will tell.
Yeah, you'll need/want a DC/DC charger regardless. Make sure you get one that you can suppliment/charge your truck battery. The RedArc is a great system and they'll set you up similarly to how I built my topper out.

Current tech is AGM in the engine and LFP (LiFeP04) for the house (same as you have in your RV). I'm looking into the future a bit. I'm unsure how they're using LFP for a starting battery. There is some magic, for sure but unless I broke one apart, I can only guess at it.
Battelborn is a great company, too. They're the ones that sparked my interest enough to dig into LFP chemistry.

LiFePo4, LiFePO4 lithium, Lithium Iron Phosphate and LFP are all the same thing. Li(thium)Fe(rrous)P(hosphorus)O(xygen)4 (PO4 is phosphate). As we know, I'm lazy so I use LFP.
 
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