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Tremor front suspension vs regular F150

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All the writeups on the Tremor indicate that the factory lift is achieved via different knuckle, UCA and springs from the regular F150. Has anyone seen a side by side comparison where someone has taken these components off both trucks and laid them out side by side to actually document and measure the differences? I would love to see this, and what part numbers are stamped on each. Maybe even an exploded parts diagram of different trucks would show something?

If I go to any of the oem Ford parts sites and select a '21 XLT or a '21 Tremor and then search for the knuckle they come up as the same part number.
 
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If I go to any of the oem Ford parts sites and select a '21 XLT or a '21 Tremor and then search for the knuckle they come up as the same part number.
The rear shocks come up as the same length as each other too.

I went as far as to get a 72 hour motorcraft subscription to check out my bill of materials. Access denied. Bullshit
 
The rear shocks come up as the same length as each other too.

I went as far as to get a 72 hour motorcraft subscription to check out my bill of materials. Access denied. Bullshit
Rear shocks I am not surprised about. Even the FX4 shocks which Ford has said were "offroad tuned" compared to regular F150 shocks have turned out to be the same things. I cant find part numbers on the UCAs to compare to, but I am really starting to wonder if websites are not up to date (even though I am using '21 model years) or if there really is not a difference in the other components and it is just the springs. Maybe some side by side pics of CV angles from a stock XLT vs a stock Tremor would help?
 
All measurements taken to date are looking like it's a longer shock body and maybe some spring pre-load. UCA would not affect lift, but it would need to be slightly different to hit alignment numbers. Likely same with the knuckle, if the even survived the pre-release marketing. Given supply shortages, Ford bean counters could have asked the engineers if it could work with normal parts...because they had already ordered them andthatswhatwereusingkthanksbye.

You see this with factory performance versions of cars all the time; like a ball joint being 0.25" taller to correct for the roll center after lowering the car 0.5". What is needed to be "engineered," but not drastically different.

Maybe some side by side pics of CV angles from a stock XLT vs a stock Tremor would help?

Wouldn't tell you anything. Axle has to go from differential (which doesn't get lower on the Tremor) to the wheel (which is 1-inch further away from the body than on a normal truck). The angle would look like a Lariat lifted 1".
 
All measurements taken to date are looking like it's a longer shock body and maybe some spring pre-load. UCA would not affect lift, but it would need to be slightly different to hit alignment numbers. Likely same with the knuckle, if the even survived the pre-release marketing. Given supply shortages, Ford bean counters could have asked the engineers if it could work with normal parts...because they had already ordered them andthatswhatwereusingkthanksbye.

You see this with factory performance versions of cars all the time; like a ball joint being 0.25" taller to correct for the roll center after lowering the car 0.5". What is needed to be "engineered," but not drastically different.



Wouldn't tell you anything. Axle has to go from differential (which doesn't get lower on the Tremor) to the wheel (which is 1-inch further away from the body than on a normal truck). The angle would look like a Lariat lifted 1".
Is the track width on a Tremor actually wider, cause the body isn’t, and if so is that due to the wheel backspacing, cause if not then the UCA, LCA and axle would all have to be different and I don’t think they are. If lift is achieved solely through a different spring then yes the CV angle would look like a 1” lifted Lariat which is my suspicion that the UCA and knuckle are the same as the regular F150, which then tells us that regular F150 level kits should work just fine, but adding a 2.5” spacer on top might be too much for the CVs
 
Is the track width on a Tremor actually wider, cause the body isn’t, and if so is that due to the wheel backspacing, cause if not then the UCA, LCA and axle would all have to be different and I don’t think they are. If lift is achieved solely through a different spring then yes the CV angle would look like a 1” lifted Lariat which is my suspicion that the UCA and knuckle are the same as the regular F150, which then tells us that regular F150 level kits should work just fine, but adding a 2.5” spacer on top might be too much for the CVs
The wheels are offset 10mm further out from normal and if I remember correctly the tires are slightly larger. Which would equal the 1" "width"
 
The wheels are offset 10mm further out from normal and if I remember correctly the tires are slightly larger. Which would equal the 1" "width"
Which all leads me to believe that the suspension components aside from the springs are actually the same. Guess I will just have to continue to wait until my truck gets built and then I will compare it to one of our F150s at work for some measurements and what part numbers are stamped, or maybe an auto blogger will do an in depth comparison.
 
Which all leads me to believe that the suspension components aside from the springs are actually the same. Guess I will just have to continue to wait until my truck gets built and then I will compare it to one of our F150s at work for some measurements and what part numbers are stamped, or maybe an auto blogger will do an in depth comparison.
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If the suspension components where the same and if it has a 1" factory lift. Installing the 2.5" level kit would require a new UCA to make it meet alignment specs like the standard F-150. A slightly different UCA and a little taller knuckle would keep the alignment within spec.

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I know what Ford says, and people get 3” levels done on reg. F150s without changing knuckles or UCAs and then get it aligned and end up within spec. Really for my own curiosity I would like to see an actual comparison of the components.
 
And yes, the stickers are functional for off road. We'll, at lease for those of us who got stickers.
 
I know what Ford says, and people get 3” levels done on reg. F150s without changing knuckles or UCAs and then get it aligned and end up within spec. Really for my own curiosity I would like to see an actual comparison of the components.
No aftermarket company would add a half inch to a knuckle or angle it to correct the geometry for a level kit. Way to expensive to make and install. UCA is a simple bolt on. Ford may because they can't put "For off road use only" on their packaging. No reputable shop would tell you to put a 3" kit on without UCA's on a regular F-150. Most 3" pucks are made by nobody's and cost $80.00. Every IVD kit max lift without UCA's is 2.75" unless it's a 2wd model. All their 3" kits have UCA's. Even Rough Country, the bottom of the barrel of real suspension people use UCA's on their 3" kits. Even if they hit the specs. The tires don't lie. I have done it on a Gen13 and it just made spec, extreme tire wear and rough ride. Even with UCA's the tires still seemed tipped out at the top. And what the Gen14 forums seem to post all the same rules apply to the Gen14. But the Tremor can pull off 2.5" puck with a 1" factory lift. Stock Gen14 Fender to center of the hub is 22". Tremor is 23" not sure what a FX4 is yet. Something's different besides the ride height and wheels. Yes I would also like to see the parts side by side.
 
All good points, and I personally would not do a 3” even with UCAs without doing a diff drop, I was just pointing out that people have. Getting the same part number for a Tremor and XLT knuckle online really has me wondering.
 
Took mine out for first time on the washboard roads in AZ. There are times when my back end may as well have been on ice. On the same stretches of road my 4Runner was much more stable (I know very different trucks). Anyone swapped the rear shocks out for something that may improve things? I thought I read someone here replaced the rear shocks and things were much more stable but can’t find the post ..
 
Took mine out for first time on the washboard roads in AZ. There are times when my back end may as well have been on ice. On the same stretches of road my 4Runner was much more stable (I know very different trucks). Anyone swapped the rear shocks out for something that may improve things? I thought I read someone here replaced the rear shocks and things were much more stable but can’t find the post ..
Anything is an improvement over stock for the rear shocks. Especially after 5 minutes of washboard. I have the eibach in the rear. Best $100 spent, so far.
 
All good points and observations. I have a 2021 402a Oxford white Tremor and at this time I would want to upgrade the rear shocks to a 2.0 Fox. Anyone have the right part number for an upgrade Fox rear shock?
 
Don't know there is one, yet. The fox for 2021+ are a full 2 inches shorter at full extension. They are a bit shorter fully compressed, at least. If you're removing your block, it may work well.
 
Hello all, I can share with my experience on this topic so far. I have a 21 Lariat, I purchased some take off wheels/tires and the seller included his (200 mile) front and rear spring/shock OEM Tremor suspension. I removed and sold my OEM Lariat 18" wheels, same exact design, just a brushed finish with grey painted inserts (44 offset). I measured my Lariat (non FX4 package) prior to removal and install of the Tremor front spring assy. After alignment I was exactly 3/4" taller from my previous measurement. Once I swapped the 275/65-18 Wranglers for the 275/70-18 Generals on Tremor wheels (also 44 offset) I gained another 1/2" height, NO difference in width.
The ride is still nice but with slightly more height and less washy in turns and straight line driving bounce. I didnt opt to swap out the rear 2" blocks to avoid the silly rake, which I still have but its very slight.
I dont agree with the wider width being my wheels were exactly the same offset from Lariat to Tremor, both tires were 275's, the only thing was height 65 to 70's, that was 1" taller overall height. As for the knuckles, I also looked into that and from researching via VIN numbers to part numbers, i came up with the same part number for either a Lariat or Tremor.
So, the best answer I could figure out at that time for me was an easy spring/strut swap out as an assembly.
I was intersted in the Fox set up but, I wasnt happy with adapting for an earlier version for my '21. After driving this way for several thousand miles, I am content with the OEM Tremor setup, although the rear shocks are pretty much the same as I had from my Lariat, I didnt notice any difference at all. I would like to swap to something less bouncy but do not want to have the rears out do the front. What I should have done was just swap the OEM front strut for something else onto that Tremor spring, but thats still an option down the road for me.
I will see how the newer Fox updated design goes when others start to chime in on their results.
 
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Can anyone recommend a rear shock that I can get at 4wheel parts (they are two mins away)? I was thinking of ordering and doing install myself by I don’t have any free time …
 
@Billy231 Do you still have your Lariat struts? Can you measure, best you can, from the lower mount bar to the lower spring seat?
 
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