What advantage does the 5.0 have vs the 3.5?

[Paulgt3]

I don’t want to insult the 5.0 lovers I’m very well in tune with what that motor has and can do. I have a 911 GT3 that has a very similar motor a 4.0 flat 6 that sings at 9000 rpm like no other. It has 500 hp and less than 400 torque. It’s made to fly down the racetrack and shift at points well over 5000 rpm’s . The 5.0 is very similar 400 hp 400 torque. It’s made for the mustang to fly down the track or street and shift at high rpm’s to keep up its momentum. One of the weak points of the GT3 is being in low rpm’s and in the wrong gear and you’re in trouble if you’re racing.

One day is was in my 2007 GT3 in 4th gear and wasn’t really paying attention and a bmw 335i came along and revved and took off. I mashed the gas and almost nothing happened. I was picking up a prescription not thinking about racing. I got killed. This car was a manual. The PDK solved that weak point. Just didn’t have the torque to do anything

anyway the 5.0 is very similar if you watch TFL on YouTube they’re towing up the I70 climb out of Denver, in the 5.0 and the motor is screaming at way up in the rpm range which I would expect. It’s not very happy pulling things uphill.

But other than noise advantage what advantage does the 5.0 have over the 3.5 for a truck? You really can’t tune the 5.0. Unless you tear it apart go cam piston etc. You can do exhaust and cold air intake and get 10-25 hp but that’s it.

The 3.5 I’m guessing can be tuned to over 700 hp with just turbos fuel injection upgrades but not getting inside the motor. I’m betting you can get 100hp by just software.
So what’s the advantage of the 5.0?

 

[MNtremor]

I drove a 5.0 f150 prior to tremor 3.5, IMO only the growl of the V8 beats the 3.5…nothing else. Towing there is no comparison, the 3.5 does not break a sweat with heavy loads while the 5.0 is screaming and down shifting.

 

[Forsla]

Who said you can't tune a 5.0?

 

[FaKtor34]

The 5.0 actually gets a slightly better mpg when towing, but it's not enough to worry about and only when normal pulling, the 5.0 can be turned and it does decent but nothing like the 3.5l the only other advantage is longevity, it will last more miles than the 3.5l, in today's world that really doesn't seem to be an issue because every 3-4 years the technology makes everything outdated.

 

[Paulgt3]

Who said you can't tune a 5.0?

You cannot tune a normally aspirated motor and get gains like you can a turbo motor. In my opinion the gains aren’t worth the money. My GT3 is normally aspirated and you’d get 10-20 hp gains fot a ton of money. Just not worth it. Putting on cold air intakes and exhaust isn’t a tune it’s just bolt on upgrades

 

[Paulgt3]

I drove a 5.0 f150 prior to tremor 3.5, IMO only the growl of the V8 beats the 3.5…nothing else. Towing there is no comparison, the 3.5 does not break a sweat with heavy loads while the 5.0 is screaming and down shifting.

Exactly. It has a better sound but this is a truck. It’s a tool I don’t really care about the sound while I’m pulling my trailer. For this truck and what it’s made for off roading and towing I just think the 3.5 is much better

 

[v8 goat]

Other than the sound, I can't truly see a benefit. Purists still like V8s, especially in trucks, but other than the sound and possibly the simplicity of an NA motor, I don't see the attraction. I've had V8s of all kinds in GTOs, Mustangs, Corvettes, etc, and I did all sorts of builds - heads/cam/LTs, twin turbo, supercharged... But as you've pointed out @Paulgt3, I don't the advantages that would sway buyers to the 5.0 in a Tremor - UNLESS you plan to supercharge it!

 

[Paulgt3]

Other than the sound, I can't truly see a benefit. Purists still like V8s, especially in trucks, but other than the sound and possibly the simplicity of an NA motor, I don't see the attraction. I've had V8s of all kinds in GTOs, Mustangs, Corvettes, etc, and I did all sorts of builds - heads/cam/LTs, twin turbo, supercharged... But as you've pointed out @Paulgt3, I don't the advantages that would sway buyers to the 5.0 in a Tremor - UNLESS you plan to supercharge it!

youre right. Look at this: my buddy came over to help me winterize my trailer for the first time and in his super duty, he has the 6.2 gas motor. 385 hp and 430 torque. That’s amazing that the 3.5 is even stronger than that. I’m wondering why not put the 3.5 in the 250?

 

[High_Country]

Man, I really thought this thread would be a firestorm of insults and threats. So far…pretty civilized communication of opinion. I’m proud of us…all acting like adults and stuff.

 

[Paulgt3]

Man, I really thought this thread would be a firestorm of insults and threats. So far…pretty civilized communication of opinion. I’m proud of us…all acting like adults and stuff.

That’s because the 5.0 is a great motor. I didn’t want to insult anyone I was just looking at this particular application of these 2 motors.

And if your truck is just a hauling thing to the dump or transporting boxes or machinery etc. and maybe your daily it’s still a good truck motor . If it’s my daily I’d want it to sound good. I’d throw some pipes on it and have a blast. In fact if it WAS my daily I’d probably take the 5.0 if I wasn’t towing anything large very often. Say im going off roading and camping fishing etc. 5.0 is fine
‘The 5.0 is better than my 2005 duramax motor.

The 3.5 is more of a tool. It’s for pulling things etc.
Although I’m very intrigued in tuning prospects of the 3.5 also. I think it’s going to be capable of putting out a lot with just software

 

[_in_venere_veritas]

I'm not sold on the 5.0 being more reliable than the 3.5. These Coyote engines have had their share of problems. I'm not saying they are bad engines, I'm just saying that just because it's an NA motor, doesn't per say mean it's more reliable.

 

[Dfris]

None of it matters anymore after seeing a supercharged 7.3 in a raptor at Sema. Everything is inferior now. (Jk.....kind of)

 

[Forsla]

You cannot tune a normally aspirated motor and get gains like you can a turbo motor. In my opinion the gains aren’t worth the money. My GT3 is normally aspirated and you’d get 10-20 hp gains fot a ton of money. Just not worth it. Putting on cold air intakes and exhaust isn’t a tune it’s just bolt on upgrades

A simple flex tune on E85 is definitely worth it, this isn't a GT3...whatever that is lol

 

[High_Country]

The 5.0 is cheaper right? I haven’t checked the ‘23 build sheets but thought the 3.5 was an up charge.
I had a 2015 F150 with the 5.0. Worked great, never had a problem over 130,000 miles. And it sounded good when you put your foot in it.
But this 3.5 TT with the 10 speed has so much more driveable and linear power - so much smoother, doesn’t feel like you’re having to push it hard.

 

[BA73]

In the spirit of continuing to act like adults and stuff the 5.0 is a nice, tried and true motor. I had a 2017 GT 5.0 with full bolt ons that was just a N/A pleasure to drive. I put 30k miles on it and then sold it to my brother as he also fell in love with the package. As noted, it absolutely sounds better in all forms.

I have a custom magnaflow setup along with a cold air intake and a tune on my 3.5 Tremor and couldn't be happier. I pull on Raptors and leave them scratching their heads. It tows my 6,000lb camper with zero issues.

I am also a fellow P car guy, I have a '19 911T with the 3.0 twin turbo, and a '21 Spyder with the 4.0 N/A (both manual). PERSONALLY, if both are sitting in the garage, I take the T 100% of the time. I love my turbos and encourage my wife to drive the Spyder so it gets driven.
The T is exciting to me the same way that the 3.5 is exciting, I know P guys love to rave about a 9k redline, but the fact is, its pretty boring until you get there, so for a road car/truck, PERSONALLY, turbos for the win.

 

[Paulgt3]

In the spirit of continuing to act like adults and stuff the 5.0 is a nice, tried and true motor. I had a 2017 GT 5.0 with full bolt ons that was just a N/A pleasure to drive. I put 30k miles on it and then sold it to my brother as he also fell in love with the package. As noted, it absolutely sounds better in all forms.

I have a custom magnaflow setup along with a cold air intake and a tune on my 3.5 Tremor and couldn't be happier. I pull on Raptors and leave them scratching their heads. It tows my 6,000lb camper with zero issues.

I am also a fellow P car guy, I have a '19 911T with the 3.0 twin turbo, and a '21 Spyder with the 4.0 N/A (both manual). PERSONALLY, if both are sitting in the garage, I take the T 100% of the time. I love my turbos and encourage my wife to drive the Spyder so it gets driven.

The T is exciting to me the same way that the 3.5 is exciting, I know P guys love to rave about a 9k redline, but the fact is, its pretty boring until you get there, so for a road car/truck, turbos for the win.

ive had three GT3s and I’ve NEVER heard a real P guy call a GT3 boring . I’ve lived near Death Valley and many tracks and 9000 rpm is not boring especially with the PDK which is a huge improvement over my 2 previous manual GT3s. So I’ve always had room to stretch its legs . It so fast no I’m convinced you’ve never driven one because the trip to 9000 is NOT boring. When going to pass you had better pay attention because it will leap forward faster than most other cars on the market. No matter what turbo you have or how modern there’s still turbo lag which isn’t
desirable in a track focused car.

In fact most reviewers say the GT3 is more pleasurable to drive and a more balanced package than a GT2 with 250 more horsepower and loads more torque. The 991.2 GT3 can hit 0-60 in less than 2.9 seconds. I don’t care if you hit 9000 or not, that’s not boring. I’ve scared myself more in this car than any other 911 I’ve had Or driven including 991.1 911 turbo S. With the PDK acceleration is instant. That’s why it’s .5 seconds faster than the manual

For Forsla the GT3 is the track focused 911. It has the same motor as the 911 GTR they race in Le Mans .

High country yes the 5.0 is the new base motor and the 3.5 is more $$

 

[BA73]

ok. I'm fake and my opinion is crap. Got it. good luck with your search.

 

[Paulgt3]

ok. I'm fake and my opinion is crap. Got it. good luck with your search. View attachment 13473

You finally got something correct. I can sell my GT3 today for $250,000. Used. For a boring car. Yes you’re opinion is not only wrong it’s crap. You even said you don’t drive the one car that’s decent your spyder.
You have you’re wife do it. Double condemnation of your opinion. you’ve never been on a track and you call Porsches most desirable car boring.
You just waste money. Nobody has ever called a GT3 boring. It’s THE hardest 911 to find and buy.

 

[BA73]

Sorry I offended you, Paul. Good luck with your search.

 

[Yeti]

You finally got something correct. I can sell my GT3 today for $250,000. Used. For a boring car. Yes you’re opinion is not only wrong it’s crap. You even said you don’t drive the one car that’s decent your spyder.
You have you’re wife do it. Double condemnation of your opinion. you’ve never been on a track and you call Porsches most desirable car boring.
You just waste money. Nobody has ever called a GT3 boring. It’s THE hardest 911 to find and buy.

So much for being adults.
Any chance we can get back to Tremors and respecting opinions?