2023 Tremor to come with 5.0 standard 🤯

[GRB.GEG]

I'm reading conflicting reports (google) that the tremor will remain exclusive with a 3.5, and the rattler will have a 2.7 standard with the 5.0 option.
3.5, better or not, I'd prefer a 5.0 in the tremor. More consistent gas mileage and less moving parts.

My son's a Ford mechanic and owns a shop that almost exclusively works on Ford. He's pretty convinced that the Ecoboost 3.5 has the bugs worked out of that system. He also agrees that the EcoBoost tows better than the 5L. Now, the 2.7 is problematic. There are some problems with that one. The main issue with the 3.5L is you have to reseal the Turbos at about 100K. Biggest issue he's seen so far.

 

[Fozzy]

Lots of debate, which is expected because this really is a battle of preference...

Statistically speaking though, the 3.5 EB is a better engine overall and pound for pound. It just won't sound cool (to some). The EB outperforms the 5.0 in every category up to 5500 RPM, which is where smaller turbos start to struggle; even then it's close (low to mid the EB destroys the 5.0).

"Put a supercharger on it, then talk to me" - ok, yea that would make it better, but put the 10k into an EB and we have a repeat discussion from above but now we can talk about parasitic load among other things.

The EB is the best engine for our vehicles and their intended use. It's statistics. But, again also preference.

Just like the fact is you can buy a lower model truck and put the money difference into it and outperform the Raptor R for less than MSRP.....but then you don't own a "Raptor R".

These discussions will never be put to rest because we like what we like lol. Just my 2 cents.

The real questions is, is it better to have twins or be blown?

 

[Bannerman]

The real questions is, is it better to have twins or be blown?

Just one man's experience but, double the pleasure, double the fun.

 

[1warmtremor]

A. Twins
B. Blown
C. All of the above!

Umm……. I’ll go with C?

The real questions is, is it better to have twins or be blown?

 

[James Dean]

My 2013 EB has been flawless. 5.0 Tremor would make it easy to install a factory winch option if Ford would offer.

 

[Donnelly713]

Seems 5.0 is standard but it did not cost any additional to elect the 3.5EB when I built one today. So not an “upgrade option” cost wise.

I have a 21 lariat 5.0, test drove a tremor 3.5 the other day and it definitely moves off the line quicker no doubt about it. Both feel nice doubt you can go wrong. Keep in mind the new generation of the v8 with cylinder deactivation has not been proven long term yet.

 

[ETN]

Seems 5.0 is standard but it did not cost any additional to elect the 3.5EB when I built one today. So not an “upgrade option” cost wise.

I have a 21 lariat 5.0, test drove a tremor 3.5 the other day and it definitely moves off the line quicker no doubt about it. Both feel nice doubt you can go wrong. Keep in mind the new generation of the v8 with cylinder deactivation has not been proven long term yet.

The 3.5 has been fun in Tremor, thing moves, but hard to not be inclined towards simplicity if optional. Have had 5.0 and enjoyed. That said, if cylinder deactivation cannot be deactivated, via forscan maybe, then no thanks!

 

[Cranbery]

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The 3.5 has been fun in Tremor, thing moves, but hard to not be inclined towards simplicity if optional. Have had 5.0 and enjoyed. That said, if cylinder deactivation cannot be deactivated, via forscan maybe, then no thanks!

Imo people say the 5.0 because it's simple, like if it's 1990 and they're going to do the repairs themselves. The 5.0 is still a super complicated engine, any 2022 is - they're completely computerized. If you can work on any recent generation car, you can work on one with a turbo.

The mechanic isn't charging more to work on your turbo than the NA. And the maintenance really isn't much more, compared to the performance and mpg you get as a tradeoff. There's really just maintenance around 100k for the turbos, and you'd have similar for any truck with 100k, turbo or not.

I just see it as going backwards - the 3.5 makes better performance than any truck in it's class, yet there are still companies making a 6.2 or a 5.0 simply because the consumer refuses to accept the better engine because it isn't a V8 lol

 

[ETN]

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Imo people say the 5.0 because it's simple, like if it's 1990 and they're going to do the repairs themselves. The 5.0 is still a super complicated engine, any 2022 is - they're completely computerized. If you can work on any recent generation car, you can work on one with a turbo.

The mechanic isn't charging more to work on your turbo than the NA. And the maintenance really isn't much more, compared to the performance and mpg you get as a tradeoff. There's really just maintenance around 100k for the turbos, and you'd have similar for any truck with 100k, turbo or not.

I just see it as going backwards - the 3.5 makes better performance than any truck in it's class, yet there are still companies making a 6.2 or a 5.0 simply because the consumer refuses to accept the better engine because it isn't a V8 lol

I suppose so, yeah. Honestly, my days of maintaining my own engine are essentially gone. I guess when you pop the hood of any contemporary vehicle, it's effectively hands off, beyond fluids, filters. For me anyway. And 100k is about my trade-in point regardless.

Hey, leave my psychology in its safe space lol

 

[FaKtor34]

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Imo people say the 5.0 because it's simple, like if it's 1990 and they're going to do the repairs themselves. The 5.0 is still a super complicated engine, any 2022 is - they're completely computerized. If you can work on any recent generation car, you can work on one with a turbo.

The mechanic isn't charging more to work on your turbo than the NA. And the maintenance really isn't much more, compared to the performance and mpg you get as a tradeoff. There's really just maintenance around 100k for the turbos, and you'd have similar for any truck with 100k, turbo or not.

I just see it as going backwards - the 3.5 makes better performance than any truck in it's class, yet there are still companies making a 6.2 or a 5.0 simply because the consumer refuses to accept the better engine because it isn't a V8 lol

They do not make engines so that they can be worked on anymore, unless you're a certified mechanic and have all the specialty tools required doing things as simple as swapping plugs are a pain in the ass to do. My 03 required a special wrench to remove one plug, the wrench cost almost $300 dollars, so basically it was cheaper to pay them $100 to swap the plugs once every 75-100k. That's how auto manufacturers are justifying the dealers to carry their brand.

 

[Fozzy]

I have to give Ford a fist bump for this. Almost every review I read or watched on the Tremor mentions it should have came with a V8. People have been crying since the Gen2 Raptor, they wanted the V8 back. They delivered and that means they have been listing to us and giving us options. In the world that everything needs to be electric now, that's a positive move in my book. I would alway pic the Ecoboost over the 5.0. I love this motor even with its flaws. I almost got a Ram truck when they updated the interior. Couldn't give up the twins. I remember my first Ecoboost. Our group of friends went boating at Lake Mead. Some pretty good climbs on the way there. They all had their hopped up diesels trucks and I just got ride of mine for a small gasser. All our boats are about the same size/weight and they couldn't pull away from me even though they had a mile of coal rolling. They all thought I had turned and turbo'd it. No, just a stock Ecoboost.

 

[Yeti]

Now that some whippersnapper clued me in to this. I like the V8 for a lot of reasons.. Primarily saving the $1500+ on an intercooler relocation and if the upgrade to the V6 is another $1,000 or so that gives me $2,500 towards a Whipple (making me a Whipplesnapper)

 

[Wallco1]

A twin turbo 5.0 would be a game changer.

 

[deserttremor]

A twin turbo 5.0 would be a game changer.

I’m guessing that’s what the raptor R turns out to be

 

[FaKtor34]

I’m guessing that’s what the raptor R turns out to be

The raptor R has the 5.2 l from the Shelby 500 retuned to put out 700 hp and 640 ftlbs of torque, it weighs 800lbs less than the TRX,

I would agree with yeti on the 5.0l but having said that I am well pleased with the 3.5l so far, the torque is better and it does tend to handle towing a little better, but while towing my 5.0l got better gas mileage, and if I remember TFL came up with the same results on a test they did. Food for thought.

 

[deserttremor]

The raptor R has the 5.2 l from the Shelby 500 retuned to put out 700 hp and 640 ftlbs of torque, it weighs 800lbs less than the TRX,

I would agree with yeti on the 5.0l but having said that I am well pleased with the 3.5l so far, the torque is better and it does tend to handle towing a little better, but while towing my 5.0l got better gas mileage, and if I remember TFL came up with the same results on a test they did. Food for thought.

I still think the tremor should have had the option to add the high output 3.5 but they probably didn’t want to blur the tremor/raptor lines any more.

That raptor R is gonna be a freakin beast

 

[Bannerman]

I still think the tremor should have had the option to add the high output 3.5 but they probably didn’t want to blur the tremor/raptor lines any more.

That raptor R is gonna be a freakin beast

I had hoped for that too, but maybe they don't want to further blur the lines between the 402A and Raptor. Also makes the Limited less exclusive.

 

[FaKtor34]

I still think the tremor should have had the option to add the high output 3.5 but they probably didn’t want to blur the tremor/raptor lines any more.

That raptor R is gonna be a freakin beast

Well if they should've added the h.o. 3.5 to the Tremor then why not have just used the non super charged 5.2l voodoo instead of the 5.0l. if I remember that voodoo non supercharged got more hp than the h.o. 3.5l. That voodoo got 526 hp so if the tuned it for a truck you would be looking at around 475hp and 450 ftlbs of torque, those are just numbers I'm guessing based off of what they lost hp wise with the predator and coyote engines when they retuned them for the truck. Now that I would love, but the mpg would probably be shot, so that's why and how we ended up with the 3.5l as our engine. It has a good power and torque range, it tows extremely well, it doesn't lose power at higher altitudes like a normally aspirated engine, and gets decent mpg. I think they did well and I think they didn't expect the Tremor to be as big of a seller as it was and that's why they came out with the rattler and now added the 5.0 l to the line up.

 

[df4801]

I had a Raptor with the high output 3.5. Now have the tremor. Can not tell any difference!

 

[Coachdad]

I always wondered why Ford doesn't put twin turbos on the 5.0l.