Finally Got Her Home

[blksn8k]

I was going off what I visually saw. If Roush actually made their 2.65L supercharger have more cooling than Whipple's 3.0L supercharger, then that's great!

At this point I haven't made up my mind on which kit to go with or even how serious I am about doing a SC at all which is why I am really interested in your experience. If I do decide to go that route it won't be until next spring at the earliest.
I bought my truck from an out-of-state dealer as well but I didn't order the truck as the dealer just happened to have a truck in stock equipped with all the options I wanted plus some. It also didn't hurt that they were offering a decent discount and even delivered the truck for free. There were some unfortunate issues with the delivery but that's a story for another time.
Anyway, that dealer also happened to be a Roush dealer and one of the extras they had on the truck was a Roush CAI. I'm not sure if that is the same part that is used in their supercharger kit but, if it is, that could influence my decision as well. I assume that one of the things that could possibly be different would be the air tube that attaches to the throttle body and that could be different if the throttle body on the supercharger is in a significantly different position (higher?) than it would be on the stock intake manifold. However, in the grand scheme of things, I suppose that's a relatively minor issue.

 

[Gump1376]

At this point I haven't made up my mind on which kit to go with or even how serious I am about doing a SC at all which is why I am really interested in your experience. If I do decide to go that route it won't be until next spring at the earliest.
I bought my truck from an out-of-state dealer as well but I didn't order the truck as the dealer just happened to have a truck in stock equipped with all the options I wanted plus some. It also didn't hurt that they were offering a decent discount and even delivered the truck for free. There were some unfortunate issues with the delivery but that's a story for another time.
Anyway, that dealer also happened to be a Roush dealer and one of the extras they had on the truck was a Roush CAI. I'm not sure if that is the same part that is used in their supercharger kit but, if it is, that could influence my decision as well. I assume that one of the things that could possibly be different would be the air tube that attaches to the throttle body and that could be different if the throttle body on the supercharger is in a significantly different position (higher?) than it would be on the stock intake manifold. However, in the grand scheme of things, I suppose that's a relatively minor issue.

I saw a youtube video and I saw they didn't use the rouch CAI, but I can't remember if they were installing a Whipple SC or not. I'm pretty sure the Roush SC comes with a CAI like the Whipple does. However, you do have 3 different Whipple stages to choose from (4 including the Ford Performance SC). Ford Performance states 700 hp / 590 TQ, Whipple Stage 1 states 725 hp / 685 TQ, Stage 1R (different fuel injectors) states 775 hp / 715 TQ, and Stage 2 (different throttle body) states 775 hp / 685 TQ. Roush's supercharger (2.65L vs whipples 3.0L) states 705 hp / 635 TQ.

For the Warranty you have Ford Performance, Whipple Stage 1, or Roush's supercharger. All good options, but if you want to really push em, you'll want to upgrade the oil pump gears to a billet gear set at the same time. My dealer wouldn't do that for me for some reason... I believe if you're not pushing the RPMs and just wanting a bit more umph for towing or a bit of fun then you should be good with the lower stage SC's. Anything over 700 hp I hear you'll need to start thinking of the Oil Pump Gears as they are a point of failure in the previous gen Coyote's (I can't confirm on the Gen 3's though).

 

[blksn8k]

I saw a youtube video and I saw they didn't use the rouch CAI, but I can't remember if they were installing a Whipple SC or not. I'm pretty sure the Roush SC comes with a CAI like the Whipple does. However, you do have 3 different Whipple stages to choose from (4 including the Ford Performance SC). Ford Performance states 700 hp / 590 TQ, Whipple Stage 1 states 725 hp / 685 TQ, Stage 1R (different fuel injectors) states 775 hp / 715 TQ, and Stage 2 (different throttle body) states 775 hp / 685 TQ. Roush's supercharger (2.65L vs whipples 3.0L) states 705 hp / 635 TQ.

For the Warranty you have Ford Performance, Whipple Stage 1, or Roush's supercharger. All good options, but if you want to really push em, you'll want to upgrade the oil pump gears to a billet gear set at the same time. My dealer wouldn't do that for me for some reason... I believe if you're not pushing the RPMs and just wanting a bit more umph for towing or a bit of fun then you should be good with the lower stage SC's. Anything over 700 hp I hear you'll need to start thinking of the Oil Pump Gears as they are a point of failure in the previous gen Coyote's (I can't confirm on the Gen 3's though).

Starting with the 2021 model year the F-150 Coyote no longer uses the gear driven oil pump. Ford switched to a belt driven oil pump on the Gen IV Coyote in the F-150. Their engineers have been quoted as saying the new design can handle over 1000 hp and I have no issue with a well designed belt driven pump. Afterall, every engine in NASCAR uses a belt driven oil pump. One thing to note is that the belt driven oil pump on the Coyote is an internal design meaning it is located inside the oil pan and uses a wet belt which is lubricated by engine oil.

I was also told by the Roush sales rep at Beechmont Ford that Roush would void your warranty on the pre-2021 Coyote supercharger installations if you replaced the factory oil pump with an aftermarket unit. Their reasoning was that their kits were designed to work within the limits of the gear driven factory oil pump and they could not guarantee that an aftermarket oil pump was of the same quality as the weak-assed (my words, not his) factory unit. Whatever. It's a moot point on the 2021 and newer Coyote though as, again, they no longer use the gear driven pump.

 

[Gump1376]

Starting with the 2021 model year the F-150 Coyote no longer uses the gear driven oil pump. Ford switched to a belt driven oil pump on the Gen IV Coyote in the F-150. Their engineers have been quoted as saying the new design can handle over 1000 hp and I have no issue with a well designed belt driven pump. Afterall, every engine in NASCAR uses a belt driven oil pump. One thing to note is that the belt driven oil pump on the Coyote is an internal design meaning it is located inside the oil pan and uses a wet belt which is lubricated by engine oil.

I was under the impression we still had the Gen 3. Good to know we no longer have the oil pump gear issues. Not sure how I feel with a polymer derived belt instead of a chain. Hopefully when it does need changed, it’s not too difficult.

Now that I know about the belt driven pump, I may be looking at a different tune once the warranty is gone.