Ford Performance tune for 5.0L?

[JM150]

I will add Ford is working on this, Ford brought their new ORV package to SEMA this year which is based on a 5.0L V8 equipped truck. They stated that they developed an ORV powertrain calibration for it. I’d expect the biggest gain to be low end torque like the Mustang tune Ford offers. Likely will require premium fuel.

 

[98infinity]

I will add Ford is working on this, Ford brought their new ORV package to SEMA this year which is based on a 5.0L V8 equipped truck. They stated that they developed an ORV powertrain calibration for it. I’d expect the biggest gain to be low end torque like the Mustang tune Ford offers. Likely will require premium fuel.
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Yes, thats what I was looking for!

 

[pittman]

The 5.0 V8 is not a fixed cam pushrod, it is a high compression direct/port dual injected DOHC V8 that absolutely gains power with ECU tuning. They can alter the cam advance/retard, alter direct/port injection mixing, alter ignition timing based on octane. Ford Performance all ready offers a tune for the 5.0 on the Mustang that adds 40 lb ft of torque at 2,000 rpm. The Dark Horse 5.0 is making 500 HP with all the same innards as a GT…it’s just a tune. The 5.0 can alter cylinder loading on the fly with Ti-VCT, the tuning world is its oyster.

V8 is running a 12:1 compression ratio, you can make alot more than 400 HP with simple bolt ons and tuning, the factory file is conservative as can be to run shit 87 octane. I mean get real dude…these things make that to the wheel on an E-85 tune with no alterations.View attachment 34671

Looks like we have different ideas of what constitutes substantial gains from a tune. Don't forget, a FP tune for a pick-up will be balanced by the need to run a widely available fuel and remain compatible with towing.

5.0 sure sounds nice though...

 

[modified]

The thread has been cleaned up so we can stay on topic. Let’s keep the conversation focused—political content will be removed moving forward.

 

[JM150]

Looks like we have different ideas of what constitutes substantial gains from a tune. Don't forget, a FP tune for a pick-up will be balanced by the need to run a widely available fuel and remain compatible with towing.

5.0 sure sounds nice though...

The FP tune for the 3.5 all ready requires premium fuel so they clearly aren’t worried about limiting drivers to higher octane

 

[Scottland10]

Just curious, and this is more a question for anyone who has had their dealer install the FP Whipple SC kit or the Roush SC kit, do either of those kits include reprogramming of the trans and, if so, was there a noticeable improvement in shift quality?

Yes I have it. They did a Whipple
Tomahawk tune. The shifting doesn’t necessarily feel that different to me.

 

[bumble]

It's not Ford Performance, but other tuners have cracked the 2024-2025's. I just place my pre-order for an Oz Tune.

https://oztuning.com/product/2024f150-omega-rtd4/
https://5startuning.com/product/202...uners-rtd-with-choice-of-5-star-custom-tunes/

Not like tuning an 3.5, but it unlocks E85 and can add 35HP and 55FT-LBS

 

[zx12-iowa]

as others said, set expectations for the tune improvement for a 5.0. Looks like HP has “ cracked the code” which will allow other tuners to get more aggressive. Even then it just depends on what’s worth it to you.

Where the 5.0 is really unbeatable is its ability to handle forced induction and produce massive power somewhat reliably. If one keeps these stock or with just a tune it’s hard not to go with the eco-boost because of the substantial power difference. However, if one wants to get into more modifications, that 5.0 platform is possibly the best out there.

 

[roadrunr]

It's not Ford Performance, but other tuners have cracked the 2024-2025's. I just place my pre-order for an Oz Tune.

https://oztuning.com/product/2024f150-omega-rtd4/
https://5startuning.com/product/202...uners-rtd-with-choice-of-5-star-custom-tunes/

Not like tuning an 3.5, but it unlocks E85 and can add 35HP and 55FT-LBS

Are the 24's E85 compatible? I think I read the 25's are not...

Still, I like the idea of the Oz tune over the FP tune because it allows you to change octane without changing the tune. 87 daily and 91/93 for other activities...

 

[roadrunr]

as others said, set expectations for the tune improvement for a 5.0. Looks like HP has “ cracked the code” which will allow other tuners to get more aggressive. Even then it just depends on what’s worth it to you.

Where the 5.0 is really unbeatable is its ability to handle forced induction and produce massive power somewhat reliably. If one keeps these stock or with just a tune it’s hard not to go with the eco-boost because of the substantial power difference. However, if one wants to get into more modifications, that 5.0 platform is possibly the best out there.

*substantial torque difference, they make the same power.

 

[Escape Hatch]

*substantial torque difference, they make the same power.

He is referencing tuned I am pretty sure. The 5.0 NA will not match the 3.5 EB tuned.

 

[bumble]

Are the 24's E85 compatible? I think I read the 25's are not...

Still, I like the idea of the Oz tune over the FP tune because it allows you to change octane without changing the tune. 87 daily and 91/93 for other activities...

With the stock tune, no, but the chat I had with support said that's another benefit of the Oz tune.

 

[zx12-iowa]

*substantial torque difference, they make the same power.

They do not make the same power. 3.5 has a lot more torque and even more significant in the 1st half of rpm range. The 5.0 makes good horsepower at high rpm’s (like a mustang). The tune furthers the difference.

 

[roadrunr]

They do not make the same power. 3.5 has a lot more torque and even more significant in the 1st half of rpm range. The 5.0 makes good horsepower at high rpm’s (like a mustang). The tune furthers the difference.

Torque and power are not interchangeable, nor are they the same thing. They both make the same power, 400hp. They do not produce the same amount of torque.

And sure, with a tune, the 3.5EB makes more hp and even more torque than the 5.0, nobody is disputing that.

 

[deepblack]

Horsepower = Torque (in lb-ft) x RPM / 5,252

 

[pittman]

Horsepower = Torque (in lb-ft) x RPM / 5,252

Haha I saw that one coming.

 

[zx12-iowa]

Torque and power are not interchangeable, nor are they the same thing. They both make the same power, 400hp. They do not produce the same amount of torque.

And sure, with a tune, the 3.5EB makes more hp and even more torque than the 5.0, nobody is disputing that.

Whatever you need to tell yourself to feel better.

One truck engine make 500 Ft lbs tq at 3100 rpm’s. The mustang engine is good for a sports car at 400 ft lbs at 4250 rpm’s. .

If we were driving around at 4200 rpm’s then there’s not as bad a deficit in power. Maybe some like to drive around like they’re driving a civic type R? But for 99% of truck owners torque is king and they generally don’t maintain 4250 rpm’s.

The 5.0 is a stout little v8 it just needs to rev (like you’d enjoy in a mustang) to get the power. If you like it - great. Enjoy!

Now for a tune, people should set reasonable expectations for the 5.0 bc you won’t change it’s higher revving power tilt much. The real power comes from a $10k +\- power adder that completely changes the truck and transform the little V8 to be a serious power plant.

 

[roadrunr]

Whatever you need to tell yourself to feel better.

One truck engine make 500 Ft lbs tq at 3100 rpm’s. The mustang engine is good for a sports car at 400 ft lbs at 4250 rpm’s. .

If we were driving around at 4200 rpm’s then there’s not as bad a deficit in power. Maybe some like to drive around like they’re driving a civic type R? But for 99% of truck owners torque is king and they generally don’t maintain 4250 rpm’s.

The 5.0 is a stout little v8 it just needs to rev (like you’d enjoy in a mustang) to get the power. If you like it - great. Enjoy!

Now for a tune, people should set reasonable expectations for the 5.0 bc you won’t change it’s higher revving power tilt much. The real power comes from a $10k +\- power adder that completely changes the truck and transform the little V8 to be a serious power plant.

Oh, wait, I remember you, you've been shitting on the 5.0 since it was introduced in the F150. Not sure why you bother commenting on 5.0 threads but here you are.

Anyway, your "truck" engine was in the Lincoln MKS and Taurus SHO before the F150, I mean those are cars, right? It was also in the MKT and Flex before the F150 too and those are just crossovers. As for the 5.0, it went in the Mustang in 2010 then the F150 in 2011 and much like there are variants of the 3.5 Ecoboost, the 5.0 in the F150 is a variant which has different cams and tuning so that it produces more low end torque than the Mustang variant. So I guess yours is a car engine, mine is a sportscar engine (or musclecar if you prefer).

Oh, and it's 410lb-ft at 4250. (also, when discussing torque, the proper term is lb-ft, not ft-lb (they are two different things) but then you cannot seem to grasp the difference between torque and power so I probably should not expect you to get that right either).

 

[zx12-iowa]

Oh, wait, I remember you, you've been shitting on the 5.0 since it was introduced in the F150. Not sure why you bother commenting on 5.0 threads but here you are.

Anyway, your "truck" engine was in the Lincoln MKS and Taurus SHO before the F150, I mean those are cars, right? It was also in the MKT and Flex before the F150 too and those are just crossovers. As for the 5.0, it went in the Mustang in 2010 then the F150 in 2011 and much like there are variants of the 3.5 Ecoboost, the 5.0 in the F150 is a variant which has different cams and tuning so that it produces more low end torque than the Mustang variant. So I guess yours is a car engine, mine is a sportscar engine (or musclecar if you prefer).

Oh, and it's 410lb-ft at 4250. (also, when discussing torque, the proper term is lb-ft, not ft-lb (they are two different things) but then you cannot seem to grasp the difference between torque and power so I probably should not expect you to get that right either).

Sorry you are so easily triggered. It’s a truck- torque is king. You seemed to dodge that point. Hmmmm.

Part of me is laughing at you. The other is sadness for you and others in your life.

I’ve had my fun with you, and in the interest of the forum (not you - because I seem you worthless), I’m done with you on this.

Hope your life improves.