What other trucks are you shopping against the 2021 F150 Tremor?

[P0H0]

I don’t think that is too far off to be honest.

 

[Yeti]

I don’t think that is too far off to be honest.

I think the ability could/will be available in my lifetime. I don't think we'll see it in a production vehicle, though. I'm not sure who is producing the DoDs rovers but they do have a lot of the AI already required for it. You'll recognize it more notably in your robovac that avoids piles your favorite pet left behind.

So take current auto drive tech, match it with robovac AI and throw in some leaked DoD AI/imaging and you would have the

TremVacDoD.(TM) Coming soon to a showroom near you.
OR a sucky DefTrem

 

[P0H0]

I have a friend that works with the AI end of things — programmed the AI to recognize the neighbors dog and turn on the sprinklers. No more poop.

 

[deucedevil]

I would run through your matrix again and provide weighted averages to the 33 specific categories. If the vanity of exterior looks is not a big deal to you then why provide it the same measure in the overall score as weight for example.

I think you will quickly find out which truck does the most important things for you better than the other. Ultimately they are different trucks trying to check as many boxes and when you do this compromise sets in. The Raptor is an example of designing in an uncompromising way. Before anyone comments that the Raptor does compromise that is more for the reality of being a mass production vehicle versus a custom one off. The Raptor has foregone a lot of items on your list to do the one thing it is good at better than any production truck ever made. If that is not your jam, its not your truck. If you need a truck for other purposes (towing, daily driver, etc.) you have to accept those compromises for its best in class (high speed) off road nature.

I've actually heard that Toyota is seeking to have the new Tundra serve more similar to the F150 to Tremor to Rapor line ups. They likely want a Raptor competitor to connect in that market share Ford has exposed but the space they have always needed to improve is Towing Capacity. My understanding is they want to be players in that game better than they have been. Toyotas are the vehicle of choice for Overlanding and the popularity there is soaring so I can see them recognizing a need for more payload like Ford continues to miss out on.

Caveat, I'm a Ford guy since birth. Still, I want the Tremor for the exact space it resides in between regular F150 and Raptor, has a FAR better engine and off-road capability than current Tundra not to mention new interior/tech, Rams have inherent payload issues and I do care what the exterior of the truck looks like and just No to Chevy. Would I love for it to have more payload? Hell yes. Do I wish Ford went to away from leaf springs? Absolutely. Do I wish you could drop 35s on a Tremor with no major lift? Yup. None of those would/will steer me from buying it now. Future trucks can and will change that. Hell, a future Tremor could change that.

 

[Yeti]

I would run through your matrix again and provide weighted averages to the 33 specific categories. If the vanity of exterior looks is not a big deal to you then why provide it the same measure in the overall score as weight for example.

I think you will quickly find out which truck does the most important things for you better than the other. Ultimately they are different trucks trying to check as many boxes and when you do this compromise sets in. The Raptor is an example of designing in an uncompromising way. Before anyone comments that the Raptor does compromise that is more for the reality of being a mass production vehicle versus a custom one off. The Raptor has foregone a lot of items on your list to do the one thing it is good at better than any production truck ever made. If that is not your jam, its not your truck. If you need a truck for other purposes (towing, daily driver, etc.) you have to accept those compromises for its best in class (high speed) off road nature.

I've actually heard that Toyota is seeking to have the new Tundra serve more similar to the F150 to Tremor to Rapor line ups. They likely want a Raptor competitor to connect in that market share Ford has exposed but the space they have always needed to improve is Towing Capacity. My understanding is they want to be players in that game better than they have been. Toyotas are the vehicle of choice for Overlanding and the popularity there is soaring so I can see them recognizing a need for more payload like Ford continues to miss out on.

Caveat, I'm a Ford guy since birth. Still, I want the Tremor for the exact space it resides in between regular F150 and Raptor, has a FAR better engine and off-road capability than current Tundra not to mention new interior/tech, Rams have inherent payload issues and I do care what the exterior of the truck looks like and just No to Chevy. Would I love for it to have more payload? Hell yes. Do I wish Ford went to away from leaf springs? Absolutely. Do I wish you could drop 35s on a Tremor with no major lift? Yup. None of those would/will steer me from buying it now. Future trucks can and will change that. Hell, a future Tremor could change that.

We're in similar boats across the board. Ford is superior to any other manufacturer in terms of "dot recognized" payload. Ram looks at a half ton truck like it's a half ton truck (whether I like that or not). Tundra and ram 1500s are neck and neck until you get to price. Tacos would be perfect for most people if they fixed their ifs weakness (ford seems to have fixed that in the bronco).
If Toyota had the balls to stretch the tundra into any form of performance rig, I would look at it. But they aren't keen on taking chances so this next tundra will keep in line with Ram with minor, calculated differences.