2024 Tremor vs. 2023 Tremor vs. 2023 Raptor

[MikeSaltLake]

Going through same issue:
Have a 2017 Raptor. Love the looks but probably trading in for a 23/24 Tremor. Have really only utilized “Raptor” features 2x, both at Sand Hollow outside St George going back to pull out Razors. It worked great and kind of fun.

However, the suspension (which makes it fun) also makes it not as good for towing. We have a boat we regularly tow (~6500#) and a 24’ trailer that holds 2 Razors (similar weight loaded - maybe a bit less). Plenty of power and drivetrain, but the back of the Raptor sags when towing. Could have got a weight balancing hitch or something to lock out, but haven’t bothered. Just get annoyed. So, for my use, not worth it.

The Tremor gets me what I want from the off-roaring I do (will take a razor for anything truly rock crawling or dines) and tows better.

Looking at 2023 models to maybe save a few $, but really will probably get a 2024 for Blue Cruise, 2k electric package, and 1 newer year when I go to sell, as discount isn’t that much right now.

 

[Parkite]

Going through same issue:
Have a 2017 Raptor. Love the looks but probably trading in for a 23/24 Tremor. Have really only utilized “Raptor” features 2x, both at Sand Hollow outside St George going back to pull out Razors. It worked great and kind of fun.

However, the suspension (which makes it fun) also makes it not as good for towing. We have a boat we regularly tow (~6500#) and a 24’ trailer that holds 2 Razors (similar weight loaded - maybe a bit less). Plenty of power and drivetrain, but the back of the Raptor sags when towing. Could have got a weight balancing hitch or something to lock out, but haven’t bothered. Just get annoyed. So, for my use, not worth it.

The Tremor gets me what I want from the off-roaring I do (will take a razor for anything truly rock crawling or dines) and tows better.

Looking at 2023 models to maybe save a few $, but really will probably get a 2024 for Blue Cruise, 2k electric package, and 1 newer year when I go to sell, as discount isn’t that much right now.

Awesome - very useful to have commentary from someone who has had the chance to experience both (and is driving around in a place similar to us - we drove right by Sand Hollow today.). What I was originally wondering is if "the cost were equal" would everyone basically go for the Raptor, and it sounds like that is not the case.

I am also now biasing towards the 2024 Tremor for the exact same reasons. I will say the big one that at-first I considered a non-negotiable necessity, but now I am wondering about is Blue Cruise. I tried to test drive a F150 w/ Blue Cruise today, but the dealer had a hard time finding one. We took a Lightning out, but despite having the capability, it was not active.

Having used strong advanced driver systems on other vehicles, I am not sure if there is truly a noticeable difference between:

• "Traditional" ACC & Lane Assist on an Interstate
• Blue Cruise on an Interstate

Except the first insists you put your hand on the wheel & the second insists you keep your eyes on the road. Neither are FSD a la Tesla. Maybe 1.3/1.4 (if it is ever released, reading the MachE forums sounds like they have been "Coming Soon" for 6 months+) with automatic passing would bring more.

Still might do a 2024 from a vehicle value standpoint to have 1 newer year.

 

[sgtcurry]

Looking at getting a 24 Raptor or Tremor. Leaning towards tremor because of the higher payload. I saw they are putting a HUD in. Will the 24s still have the bed cam or is it deleted like on the later 23s?

Also for those of you guys who want Bluecruise and are a bit more tech savvy check out Comma.ai. I think its much better than blue cruise.

 

[CAMDENN]

Bought my ‘23 401A with the 5.0 back in September for $61k plus TTL. I have zero regrets - all the features I was looking for and none extra. The stock exhaust on the 5.0 gives it a great rumble. Bluebonnet Ford has 3 402A currently and they’re willing to negotiate.

Several folks have asked what it is and I tell them it’s the “Working Man’s Raptor”. View attachment 25313View attachment 25314

I agree with you on the stock exhaust system on a 5.0 equipped TREMOR.
It does sound very nice.

 

[JerseyMike]

Hi all - wondering if anyone here can help me decide or has any considerations around this. I've been debating the above three options. Given the current market environment, the pricing for all of these options is more reasonable than they have been in the past, and I've been watching them stack up at the dealers near me. In Utah alone, it looks like there are 50+ 2023 Tremors sitting on lots right now nearby. And I'm coming away from a weekend in Las Vegas where many of the dealers had 10+ Raptors sitting around too.

Here's how I'm thinking about the three options:

1 - 2024 Tremor w/ 402A. ~$69K at Invoice-4% (from Granger TBC). From what I've heard, it sounds like the order books aren't open yet, but I'm not in a rush. This is currently the leading option. I do a once / month road trip from Northern Utah to Southern Utah, and Blue Cruise would be nice to have for that trip. That road trip is one of the primary reasons I'm getting a more practical vehicle vs. my current Wrangler Rubicon, which is painful to drive for hours on the highway.

2 - 2023 Tremor w/ 402A. ~$67K utilizing X-Plan at various dealers. I can use the X-Plan (MCA) and get one of these. I haven't found the exact config I like - looking for BlueCruise (which is harder to find on the 2023s). The downside is ending up with a ~few K of random stuff I don't need / like (Moon Roof). The upside might be there is a bit more pricing flexibility (perhaps down to ~$65K if I find the right dealer & config)? The upside of this vs. Option #1 is I am not sure when the 2024 Tremors will be built & the fact you can't place an order for them right now introduces some risk.

3 - 2023 Raptor w/ V6. ~$80K assuming MSRP and a base model. The price difference here isn't a barrier - in the end, we're only talking +15%. I really like the styling of the Raptor, and reading the Tremor vs. Raptor thread from earlier this year, I am sitting somewhere in between the two. One of the downsides back then was +$10-20K dealer markup. It looks like that has mostly disappeared given the market. Without that, would it change people's minds? I don't do a bunch of towing right now (with my Wrangler ), but would like the option to. My off-roading is mostly dirt roads (in southern Utah), deep snow (in northern Utah), and some minor rock crawling. I am not jumping sand dunes... but I probably do more "true" off-roading than most?

BUT - coming from an easy-to-maneuver Wrangler, the Tremor already seems fairly large. I haven't driven a Raptor yet, but feels like it would just be tough to park, tough to put in my (normal sized) garage, maybe not worth the hassle for an edge use case + better styling.

Any suggestions? Thanks!

If I were you I would be between the'24 tremor and 23 raptor...Raptor price difference in the long run won't mean much as they hold their value so well. Big distinguishing factor for me would be blue cruise though.....I have had an F150 with regular ACC and lane centering, I have a model S Tesla and now an F150 lightning with blue cruise and the blue cruise is a game changer on highways....hands free is so nice and I prefer it to my Tesla autopilot as you have to shake the wheel often on that.

another option for you would be a used 402a tremor which can be had in the 55-60k range even with low miles....I almost traded in a gen 2 raptor for one a few months ago but ended up with a used lightning for the same price (which I love but wouldn't use on a road trip)

 

[ETN]

Have never owned a Raptor, and may think differently if offroading regularly, but for occasional offroad needs, Tremor been good to go.
Honestly, I prefer the more classic truck profile of Tremor, especially if lifted a bit, and haven't been towing, but the retained payload is nice.

 

[Gump1376]

If price isn't an issue, get a V8 tremor and add the supercharger for the same cost of a base model Raptor. You'll have RaptoR power levels but with easier daily driving (i.e. width) and you can upgrade suspension to be almost equal to the Raptor without sacrificing payload for towing. I wanted a RaptoR, but I sure as hell wasn't paying $150K for one. So I got the Tremor, added a supercharger and currently saving up for better suspension and wheels/tires.

 

[zx12-iowa]

Have never owned a Raptor, and may think differently if offroading regularly, but for occasional offroad needs, Tremor been good to go.
Honestly, I prefer the more classic truck profile of Tremor, especially if lifted a bit, and haven't been towing, but the retained payload is nice.

My buddy is a realtor. It’s nice and suspension is great. Mpg is 1-2 mpg worse and frankly unless you are on a be try bumpy broken road, the trucks feel close to the same. Wasn’t worth the extra $20k for the suspension to me. Trucks are equally fast. Figure they will retain value the same as the tremor was bought at a deep discount while raptor is usually msrp.

 

[edubya32]

I think I'd like flexibility to tow things, but at this point I am not sure practically how the difference between the Tremor (10,900lbs) and the Raptor (8,200lbs) will impact what I tow. I know that with my Jeep JKUR we were massively constrained (3,500lbs) outside of teardrops. Given this is brought up a bunch though, there must be a lot of campers that fall into that >8,200lb but <10,900lb window?

Agree on pricing - that is where now that Raptors are ~MSRP (or I've even seen some discounts off MSRP) I wasn't sure if it changed the trade-off.

I also wasn't entirely sure what "high speed off-road" means... I will drive a bunch of desert dirt / gravel roads - practically does that mean I will be able to go 55mph in a Raptor instead of 45mph in a Tremor at the same ~stability level (so I get ~10mph more)? Or does it not really make a difference unless I am hucking off sand dunes?

It's more the payload that will be the limiting factor, Raptor payload is likely at least 300lbs less than a Tremor, which might not sound like a lot, but when you are towing, the hitch (tongue) weight, plus the lbs of the all the passengers and other "stuff", well, that may be the difference in towing a decent travel trailer that will sleep 6 people with all the amenities (like a toilet and shower) vs. a tear-drop style that sleeps 2 and has no toilet or shower. So anyway, the point is really payload and not how much it can "tow" or pull, 8200lbs vs 10,900 is not the factor you should be looking at. I had a 2020 802a Raptor, wasn't planning at that time to tow, but in Colorado, there aren't really places to go "Baja". Looking at getting into a Tremor, but not yet purchased. That said, if you don't have the need to tow, and can afford the Raptor, go for it, it's a sweet machine, i loved my 2020 but had a "come to jesus" moment with having that and a 2021 BMW X5.

 

[zimm]

Payload is the big factor if you want to tow anything. My 402a with tow package and no sunroof or pro-power (to reduce weight) is 1664lbs. Raptor likely closer to 1200, but that's a guess. That includes every passenger in the truck, every pound you weigh over 150, anything in the glove box, under rear seat, in the bed, and the tongue weight of the trailer. Also every bolt on subtracts from that capacity (bumpers, winch, lights, tonneau cover, etc)

Unless you're rich, get insurance quotes for the raptor vs tremor too. Might not be so fun to find out the premium is way more on the SVT model that gets stolen, crashed, or vandalized more often.

 

[James Dean]

For me it came down to three things why I went with a Tremor.
1 Price for the Raptor. With the dealer price adjustments on Raptors there was no comparison.
2 Torsen. Ford no longer offered it on the Raptor.
3 How wide the Raptor is. I wasn't sure about the Raptor is for daily driving.

As for the 2024's I'm not crazy about the color selection or the front end on the Tremor. It will be a long time before I trade my 2023 in unless it has a lot of problems in the next 3 years or 36,000 miles.

 

[sgtcurry]

For me it came down to three things why I went with a Tremor.
1 Price for the Raptor. With the dealer price adjustments on Raptors there was no comparison.
2 Torsen. Ford no longer offered it on the Raptor.
3 How wide the Raptor is. I wasn't sure about the Raptor is for daily driving.

As for the 2024's I'm not crazy about the color selection or the front end on the Tremor. It will be a long time before I trade my 2023 in unless it has a lot of problems in the next 3 years or 36,000 miles.

I was able to find quite a few raptors for MSRP no add ons in Houston. The biggest reason why I am going with the tremor is the payload. I plan on doing a lot of long road trips and all my buddies are 6'+ 230-250lbs and when I add all the gear, luggage, bike rack, and mountain bikes for a road trip the payload gets too close or above a raptor. I don't plan on doing any mods outside of a tonneau cover, bed rack and a rooft top tent.

 

[edubya32]

Payload is the big factor if you want to tow anything. My 402a with tow package and no sunroof or pro-power (to reduce weight) is 1664lbs. Raptor likely closer to 1200, but that's a guess. That includes every passenger in the truck, every pound you weigh over 150, anything in the glove box, under rear seat, in the bed, and the tongue weight of the trailer. Also every bolt on subtracts from that capacity (bumpers, winch, lights, tonneau cover, etc)

Unless you're rich, get insurance quotes for the raptor vs tremor too. Might not be so fun to find out the premium is way more on the SVT model that gets stolen, crashed, or vandalized more often.

what options do you have? I have
Interior work surface
tray liner (rubber mats)
trailer tow package
partitioned lockable storage
bed utility package
torsen diff
and my payload is 1575 - wondering where the 89lbs is at, maybe bed utility package?

 

[HSrider]

Glad I stumbled across this thread. I am currently in a 2019 Raptor and thinking about moving to a 2023 or even 24 model need to do some research to see the difference between each model year and go from there. I'm not a sunroof guy so would probably be better ordering a 24 verses trying to find a leftover 23 without one. Don't get me wrong I like my Raptor and it was my dream truck but living in Maryland I can't use the truck for what it was built for so I'm kind of over it and might be doing some towing in the future so the Tremor would check all those boxes for me and my needs. Look forward to reading more comments.

 

[Parkite]

Big distinguishing factor for me would be blue cruise though.....I have had an F150 with regular ACC and lane centering, I have a model S Tesla and now an F150 lightning with blue cruise and the blue cruise is a game changer on highways....hands free is so nice and I prefer it to my Tesla autopilot as you have to shake the wheel often on that.

It sounds like you find BlueCruise to be substantially better than regular ACC & lane centering? That was one of the things I was wondering about around waiting for a 2024 vs. taking one of the 2023s (which almost none have it).

 

[b-real]

Glad I stumbled across this thread. I am currently in a 2019 Raptor and thinking about moving to a 2023 or even 24 model need to do some research to see the difference between each model year and go from there. I'm not a sunroof guy so would probably be better ordering a 24 verses trying to find a leftover 23 without one. Don't get me wrong I like my Raptor and it was my dream truck but living in Maryland I can't use the truck for what it was built for so I'm kind of over it and might be doing some towing in the future so the Tremor would check all those boxes for me and my needs. Look forward to reading more comments.

Difference in 23 v 24 Tremor is essentially the front end looks

 

[PeteinMT]

I had a 23 F150 Tremor and now have a 23 Super Duty The dash in the 23 F250( and by all the pictures the 24 F150) is "flatter" overall and offers better visibility. It also look the the hood is more streamline also. I assume some of this change was for the HUD

IMO I did not like the Dynamic Headlights as they gave more a vertigo type feeling the way they bounced around so would rather have the new ones.

I just wish the F150 would get some new colors as i do miss having the 4A option

 

[b-real]

I did forget to mention the HUD, but honestly I cant figure out what the rage is about it. My wife's car has it and we leave it off as we find it more distracting than its worth.

 

[Escape Hatch]

I did forget to mention the HUD, but honestly I cant figure out what the rage is about it. My wife's car has it and we leave it off as we find it more distracting than its worth.

Polarized sunglasses make it difficult to see as well.

 

[PeteinMT]

Polarized sunglasses make it difficult to see as well.

I would say Fords is the easiest to see with Polarized glassed compared to my last RAM