5.0 vs Ecoboost

[619TR3MORR]

Blonde latinas.

Hell yeah

 

[Bannerman]

Guys who drive 5.0s:

 

[Killercat69]

All the 3.5 guys hahahaha my little engine so fast lets keep adding turbos

 

[Baffoon2121]

5.0!

 

[Fozzy]

This cracks me up. I've got the 5.0 on order after a long interramal deliberation about which engine to go with. (Although I don't plan on making it any louder.) I think it really comes down to who you know. I had my BIL, his business partner, and a good friend all have some major fault with their 3.5s within the last 2 years, all under 100k miles, one under 40k. It started a negative/distrusting outlook on their trucks. No longer did they want to use it as the road trip vehicle for family or a random adventure too far from home. Let alone tow something. That sorta killed the point of the trucks. All three went V8 and left Ford altogether in the last 18 months. (GMC, and 2 Rams). I also know plenty of people who also adore their 3.5s and have never had any issues, but when you see friends or family give up the brand altogether, it makes you double think a near $70K purchase based on a torque figure. (Towing isn't exactly the first thing the Tremor team envisioned when designing it anyway IMO, although I know we all appreciate the extra towing over a raptor.) Even when the problems were under warranty and possibly a defect or factory install error, I know the felling of not trusting a vehicle anymore, and the V8 to me and many represent a lower chance of that mistrust occurring. The tone is just a bonus. (Side note I love me a turbo car though, my VW Golf R was a gem.)

They have sold millions of them so there will be problems. But most get a sour taste from their dealers lack of ability’s to fix the problems or get the claim put under warranty. And If they didn’t like the truck when they bought it, they should’ve passed. I know about all the problems with the 3.5. If I get the cam phaser problem, I’m not worried if the dealer fixes it right the first time. At 10,900 lbs towing and 1,500+ payload. Towing was most definitely on the engineers mind. Do I need to remind you of the crazy rake and the Tremor commercial “With the towing and payload you need” as the closer?

Guys who drive 5.0s:

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This just made me think I should consider this. I can see it now, all the new 5.slow Tremor owners will be revving on me everywhere I go.

 

[Antiblue]

(Towing isn't exactly the first thing the Tremor team envisioned when designing it anyway IMO, although I know we all appreciate the extra towing over a raptor.)

FWIW re: 3.5 performance to include towing.

3.5L development and testing promo.

 

[cjtm]

They have sold millions of them so there will be problems. But most get a sour taste from their dealers lack of ability’s to fix the problems or get the claim put under warranty. And If they didn’t like the truck when they bought it, they should’ve passed. I know about all the problems with the 3.5. If I get the cam phaser problem, I’m not worried if the dealer fixes it right the first time. At 10,900 lbs towing and 1,500+ payload. Towing was most definitely on the engineers mind. Do I need to remind you of the crazy rake and the Tremor commercial “With the towing and payload you need” as the closer?




This just made me think I should consider this. I can see it now, all the new 5.slow Tremor owners will be revving on me everywhere I go.

LOL Harsh on the V8 guys. Nearly all of us don't even have our trucks yet..... And sure, you're right, it likely won't be an issue for 95% or 99%, but I'll stick with what I said before, it's who you know.

As for the towing, not impacting the existing F-150's towing was on their mind. But I'd argue it was an asterisks or a rule/constraint to play within, not really a new feature, despite what the marketing guys put out. I would argue Ford offers a lot better F-150s, and other F products for towing. The amount of threads here dedicated to lifts, levels, pucks, suspension, bigger tires, et cetera.... tells you towing is tertiary for a big chunk of owners. (Also I assume many of us won't want to tow over 10k pounds or get close to that on a regular basis with any F-150, it's a very nice to have if you need it one day sorta thing.)

It just seems a bit scrooge to poo poo guys buying a heavily astatically modified truck with an emphasis on off-roading for wanting their trucks to sound as good as they look, telling them it's all about towing with those factory 33's and lift in a forum with a huge amount of discussion on further lifts or levels.

I look forward to seeing your Tremor win the Motor Trend Power challenge for towing.......

 

[Antiblue]

LOL Harsh on the V8 guys. Nearly all of us don't even have our trucks yet..... And sure, you're right, it likely won't be an issue for 95% or 99%, but I'll stick with what I said before, it's who you know.

As for the towing, not impacting the existing F-150's towing was on their mind. But I'd argue it was an asterisks or a rule/constraint to play within, not really a new feature, despite what the marketing guys put out. I would argue Ford offers a lot better F-150s, and other F products for towing. The amount of threads here dedicated to lifts, levels, pucks, suspension, bigger tires, et cetera.... tells you towing is tertiary for a big chunk of owners. (Also I assume many of us won't want to tow over 10k pounds or get close to that on a regular basis with any F-150, it's a very nice to have if you need it one day sorta thing.)

It just seems a bit scrooge to poo poo guys buying a heavily astatically modified truck with an emphasis on off-roading for wanting their trucks to sound as good as they look, telling them it's all about towing with those factory 33's and lift in a forum with a huge amount of discussion on further lifts or levels.

I look forward to seeing your Tremor win the Motor Trend Power challenge for towing.......

I see as much discussion about leveling the truck as lifting it and the two are not the same though the solutions are similar/same. Maybe we're seeing different things.

I don't plan on towing for the first few years of ownership but having that as an option is important to me and the 3.5 is simply better at it. While I won't be looking at max towing, the better performing the engine, the easier it is to tow no matter the amount being towed.

My local/regional off-roading options are near non-existent outside of some unmaintained dirt roads that will mud up during the rainy season. With retirement in the not-so-distant future, my location may change and open up off-roading opportunities to me. That is an option that is important to me.

Any potential move may include a move to higher altitude where, to me, NA vs forced induction performance is night and day. Having that option is important to me.

My current daily is a supercharged V8 Camaro with mildly modified exhaust. I love the sound. It almost pushed me into ordering a V8 Tremor but all those other options plus feedback from mechanics on their choice made 3.5 the clear winner. That isn't to say 3.5 is right for everyone or superior. Every user has different needs and wants.

These are the factors that made the 3.5 right for me.

Regarding people having issues, go to any forum and you will see the same stories for every brand. Added to that is the "don't buy any vehicle/trailer after 2019 because the quality has gone to crap" and "I'll never buy brand X again." And there's anecdotal evidence for it. There are Tremor videos of "don't buy a Tremor, they're shit right now." You can find the same for a ZR2 (my initial interest for this type of truck) or Rebel. But none of that is a trend, it's all a small number of anecdotes from what it seems thus far.

If someone wants a V8, good on them but to pretend it's a quality issue based on poor luck for some folks, is not a solid argument IMO. There are similar complaints about maintenance/repair issues for the V8. Again, they're just anecdotes.

 

[Bannerman]

LOL Harsh on the V8 guys. Nearly all of us don't even have our trucks yet..... And sure, you're right, it likely won't be an issue for 95% or 99%, but I'll stick with what I said before, it's who you know.

As for the towing, not impacting the existing F-150's towing was on their mind. But I'd argue it was an asterisks or a rule/constraint to play within, not really a new feature, despite what the marketing guys put out. I would argue Ford offers a lot better F-150s, and other F products for towing. The amount of threads here dedicated to lifts, levels, pucks, suspension, bigger tires, et cetera.... tells you towing is tertiary for a big chunk of owners. (Also I assume many of us won't want to tow over 10k pounds or get close to that on a regular basis with any F-150, it's a very nice to have if you need it one day sorta thing.)

It just seems a bit scrooge to poo poo guys buying a heavily astatically modified truck with an emphasis on off-roading for wanting their trucks to sound as good as they look, telling them it's all about towing with those factory 33's and lift in a forum with a huge amount of discussion on further lifts or levels.

I look forward to seeing your Tremor win the Motor Trend Power challenge for towing.......

This post seems to be a bit of a ramble but I think I'm following you. I'd respond by saying that the things you listed are exactly what drew me to the Tremor specifically because it had the combo of the 3.5 and 3.73s. I've now have, for my purposes anyway, the perfect truck. With the suspension improvements I've done, and the 35"s, it performs as well or better than a Raptor offroad (east of the Mississippi where I live). While still towing my center console as good as any other half ton on the road (save maybe the PB F-150 or hybrid Tundra).

But if you take away the 3.5 or changed the gear ratio, that formula breaks down. I do understand not all of us tow while also wanting to run bigger tires but for those of us who do, the 3.5 EB in the Tremor is the perfect engine.

 

[cjtm]

This post seems to be a bit of a ramble but I think I'm following you. I'd respond by saying that the things you listed are exactly what drew me to the Tremor specifically because it had the combo of the 3.5 and 3.73s. I've now have, for my purposes anyway, the perfect truck. With the suspension improvements I've done, and the 35"s, it performs as well or better than a Raptor offroad (east of the Mississippi where I live). While still towing my center console as good as any other half ton on the road (save maybe the PB F-150 or hybrid Tundra).

But if you take away the 3.5 or changed the gear ratio, that formula breaks down. I do understand not all of us tow while also wanting to run bigger tires but for those of us who do, the 3.5 EB in the Tremor is the perfect engine.

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I get that, I just think the belief that one is clearly better than the other no matter what, from either side, is silly. I waited for the V8, and am still waiting, and I am happy with my choice. I'm glad the 3.5 guys are happy with theirs.

 

[Bannerman]

I get that, I just think the belief that one is clearly better than the other no matter what, from either side, is silly. I waited for the V8, and am still waiting, and I am happy with my choice. I'm glad the 3.5 guys are happy with theirs.

I think the 5.0 is a fine engine. And I have no doubt you will all be happy with your choice barring any heavy towing or high elevation which are special cases.

 

[b-real]

I get that, I just think the belief that one is clearly better than the other no matter what, from either side, is silly. I waited for the V8, and am still waiting, and I am happy with my choice. I'm glad the 3.5 guys are happy with theirs.

I mean, since we are stirring up an old thread, numbers and performance wise, the 3.5 is kind of clearly better than the other, but it isnt as loud, so Ford still sells 5.0s, but numbers wise again, they sell a LOT more EcoBoosts than 5.0s. Back in 2016, 65% of F150s sold had either the 3.5 or 2.7, and only 25% had the 5.0, and the numbers have drifted further apart since then. What I am glad of though is that Ford did make the 5.0 an option for the Tremor (even though I ordered a 3.5) because I think options are always better for the customer. Both engines have their issues (cam phasers - I am on my 3rd set in my 2017 and still do NOT believe Ford has this issue figured out since it has been a problem since 2005 with the 5.4, or oil consumption on the 5.0), but what I do know is that Ford (Farley) has finally acknowledged that they have a major reliability issue across all their models, so maybe one day they can turn that around. Hopefully they can figure out how to ship trucks soon too, and somehow put some logic behind what gets shipped in what order.

 

[Yeti]

Why not make the Ford Mullet? 3.5 to push you around and a 5.0 in the bed to sound pretty... and an extra 60 gallon tank

 

[Bannerman]

Why not make the Ford Mullet? 3.5 to push you around and a 5.0 in the bed to sound pretty... and an extra 60 gallon tank

That reminds me of the guy with a Lighting with a diesel heater strapped to the frame and a fuel tank in the bed just to heat the cab. Because the heater uses so much battery and the range is already reduced in cold weather.

 

[Baffoon2121]

While I love my 5.0 in my 1900 pound F1, I can't see a benefit in a modern (heavy) truck. For the sound, I just saw a video from AWA that the 3.5 sounded... good.

Does this aluminum body truck really weight that much more than older trucks? If anything it just doubled in power. The engine note of the 5.0 and the way you can hear it at all rpms gives this truck a fun factor and smile factor I didn't get on the 3.5. and I liked the way the 3 5 drove.

 

[Yeti]

Does this aluminum body truck really weight that much more than older trucks? If anything it just doubled in power. The engine note of the 5.0 and the way you can hear it at all rpms gives this truck a fun factor and smile factor I didn't get on the 3.5. and I liked the way the 3 5 drove.

yeah, about 3000 pounds heavier. But my original engine was a 337/5.5L with a whopping 98 HP

 

[putz173]

the only reason I can think anyone would go 5.0 over 3.5 these days is exhaust sounds, assuming you want it. other than that the 3.5 is better at everything, loved the sound of my silverado 6.2 and borla but after a while it gets annoying AF, must be getting old

 

[Escape Hatch]

the only reason I can think anyone would go 5.0 over 3.5 these days is exhaust sounds, assuming you want it. other than that the 3.5 is better at everything, loved the sound of my silverado 6.2 and borla but after a while it gets annoying AF, must be getting old

I am there with you! After having vehicles with modified exhaust I have welcomed the quite ride and to be quite honest I am even okay with the fake engine noises, lol. Never thought I would say that and I also agree it must be an age thing. The older I get the more I appreciate comfort and simplicity in life.

 

[Bannerman]

I am there with you! After having vehicles with modified exhaust I have welcomed the quite ride and to be quite honest I am even okay with the fake engine noises, lol. Never thought I would say that and I also agree it must be an age thing. The older I get the more I appreciate comfort and simplicity in life.

I don't really care for the fake engine noise but my 18 month old son loves it so I left it enabled.

 

[GRB.GEG]

My son owns a Ford service shop.

He says:

The majority of issues have been worked out of the Ecoboost engines. When he began working on the early models there were certain problems that came in. Ford has done a lot to minimize those now. He did warn me that at about 100K he'll likely have to reseal the Turbos but I've seen YouTubes on EcoBoosts with over 200K and no issues. Overall, he feels they're very reliable and better for towing. V8's are dinosaurs but if you don't want turbos then go with that. I really don't get the sound issue. My V6 has great sound when I get on it. Just an old style personal preference and thought process on sound. If you can, drive both and see how you like each. One has a better chance of doing this now vs. last year when there were no trucks on lots anywhere.