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[Aliass24]

I like Halo product and Kevin and Eve are great! But, waited 2 months and Elka screwed me by sending the wrong struts. Sent ones without the adjustersView attachment 30519

I like Halo product and Kevin and Eve are great! But, waited 2 months and Elka screwed me by sending the wrong struts. Sent ones without the adjustersView attachment 30519

I would send them back, I’m sure the adjustable ones are well worth it.

 

[Tremgineer]

@Truckin - are these supposedly the 'revised' versions? I am very curious what was revised.

Since you have them, could you take a measurement of the overall (mounting) length of the strut? From top of the tophat to bottom of the cross pin.

Also, what is the code printed on the spring? That will tell us the spring rate.

 

[Truckin]

@Truckin - are these supposedly the 'revised' versions? I am very curious what was revised.

Since you have them, could you take a measurement of the overall (mounting) length of the strut? From top of the tophat to bottom of the cross pin.

Also, what is the code printed on the spring? That will tell us the spring rate.

Sorry these are packed and sealed for shipping

 

[StormTremor]

I would like to get near level the right way with coilovers and UCAs. Would I actually feel the on road/highway difference between the Halo stage 1 and stage 2? I RARELY off-road. Maybe a forest service road once a year. The other reason for the coilover lift will be to fit Raptor takeoffs because my stock Generals are nearing their end.

 

[FwtxTremor]

There was a revision change with the Halo IFP style kits (“Stage 1”) where the front spring rate was reduced. The rear shock length was also altered to accommodate the full range of the Tremor. This is also when they started to omit the 2.5” rear block.

Has anyone installed this revision? I’m looking for data and/or pics on how much lift you got at their factory setting? I am actually looking for 1.5” lift, but it looks like previous kits installed with the heavier springs (@Bannerman) yielded much more height. Back then you could dial in less preload to allow the front to sag more. Now aparently there are less threads available to lessen the preload and reduce the lift.

Did you ever find out the information on this? Is the lift now more true to what is listed? What’s the new spring rate?

 

[Tremgineer]

@FwtxTremor the new spring rate is 11.6kg/mm (650lb/in) the former rate was 12.5kg/mm (700ib/in) what is still a bit of guesswork is how much preload equates to how much lift.

the lift comes from a combination of the strut length + preload. the strut length is fixed and the preload is adjustable. the struts are ~0.75" longer than OE Tremor which equates to ~1.05" of lift assuming the same sag (sag = the amount of downward travel, and sag is set based on the amount of preload). any additional lift beyond this ~1.05" comes as a result of reducing the amount of downward travel.

@halo.f150 it would be great to build a data base of how much preload equates to how much lift the only way to do this accurately is to measure Fender-to-Ground before lift, and again after lift (after driving) with the same tires, PSI, amount of fuel, and load in the bed/cab. The measurement needs to be done on the same shop floor location, the point of measurement on the fender must be marked (for consistency), and the measurement needs to be done along a level or a plumb bob striking through the wheel center up to the fender.

The springs are 406mm (15.98") long. The amount of preload can only be measured by measuring the spring length (preloaded) and subtracting that from 406mm. It would be great to verify the unloaded 'free' length of these springs to see if the starting point is really 406mm as well.

@halo.f150 another way to do it, more rough, is how much does one additional full-turn of the preload collar lift the truck? this is tricky because you need to adjust the preload collar when its un-loaded, and the act of unloading, adjusting, then re-loading the suspension will not produce a repeatable measurement due to stiction. in my experience you need to drive the truck (just briefly up/down the street with a few nose dives) to activate the suspension in order to overcome this stiction and take a good measurement.

 

[GHawk16]

@FwtxTremor the new spring rate is 11.6kg/mm (650lb/in) the former rate was 12.5kg/mm (700ib/in) what is still a bit of guesswork is how much preload equates to how much lift.

the lift comes from a combination of the strut length + preload. the strut length is fixed and the preload is adjustable. the struts are ~0.75" longer than OE Tremor which equates to ~1.05" of lift assuming the same sag (sag = the amount of downward travel, and sag is set based on the amount of preload). any additional lift beyond this ~1.05" comes as a result of reducing the amount of downward travel.

@halo.f150 it would be great to build a data base of how much preload equates to how much lift the only way to do this accurately is to measure Fender-to-Ground before lift, and again after lift (after driving) with the same tires, PSI, amount of fuel, and load in the bed/cab. The measurement needs to be done on the same shop floor location, the point of measurement on the fender must be marked (for consistency), and the measurement needs to be done along a level or a plumb bob striking through the wheel center up to the fender.

The springs are 406mm (15.98") long. The amount of preload can only be measured by measuring the spring length (preloaded) and subtracting that from 406mm. It would be great to verify the unloaded 'free' length of these springs to see if the starting point is really 406mm as well.

@halo.f150 another way to do it, more rough, is how much does one additional full-turn of the preload collar lift the truck? this is tricky because you need to adjust the preload collar when its un-loaded, and the act of unloading, adjusting, then re-loading the suspension will not produce a repeatable measurement due to stiction. in my experience you need to drive the truck (just briefly up/down the street with a few nose dives) to activate the suspension in order to overcome this stiction and take a good measurement.

I just put my Stage 3 on my truck. I've tried to be consistent with my measuring. I'm hoping I drive enough the rest of this week to get it down to 1/4 of a tank to remeasure. But I don't know if the Stage 1 has different spring rates than the Stage 3, but the Stage 3 is 550#. This is straight from Elka when I was going thru the replacement process. Currently I'm at about 1" lift from what they sent me, but that's with a full tank. Going to try and re-measure Sunday night before I get my new Decked in on Monday. Got a great deal on one I couldn't pass up. Then I'lll dial the lift in once I see how much my truck sags with the Decked. I'll also load it up like I'm camping to see how much more it sags, THEN adjust the collar down more so it's level with all my crap in it. May have to either add a taller rear block or maybe get some stiffer rear leaf springs. Just hate giving Icon any of my money. But that's so I can actually get some lift out of the front. I will say, it rides SO much better.

 

[edubya32]

I just put my Stage 3 on my truck. I've tried to be consistent with my measuring. I'm hoping I drive enough the rest of this week to get it down to 1/4 of a tank to remeasure. But I don't know if the Stage 1 has different spring rates than the Stage 3, but the Stage 3 is 550#. This is straight from Elka when I was going thru the replacement process. Currently I'm at about 1" lift from what they sent me, but that's with a full tank. Going to try and re-measure Sunday night before I get my new Decked in on Monday. Got a great deal on one I couldn't pass up. Then I'lll dial the lift in once I see how much my truck sags with the Decked. I'll also load it up like I'm camping to see how much more it sags, THEN adjust the collar down more so it's level with all my crap in it. May have to either add a taller rear block or maybe get some stiffer rear leaf springs. Just hate giving Icon any of my money. But that's so I can actually get some lift out of the front. I will say, it rides SO much better.

Did you go with UCA's as well? I am thinking about doing the stage 3, but I don't need a lot of lift, so I would probably just do 1", I don't think I need UCA's then, but I don't really know for sure.

 

[GHawk16]

Did you go with UCA's as well? I am thinking about doing the stage 3, but I don't need a lot of lift, so I would probably just do 1", I don't think I need UCA's then, but I don't really know for sure.

I did. While I never will go above 1.5-1.75" I just figured I'd do them while I was in there. They sell the ones with the new revised ball joint as well. I was hesitant based on reviews, but the 4x4 shop that did my alignment said they have put in hundreds of SPC control arms and only had 2 come back, and that was for user error. Make sure you get the Caster/Camber Kit as well. Makes aligning the truck A LOT easier and more precise. You'll love them! 2.5's are worth it for being able to dial them. Now to sort out my rear end....

 

[Tremgineer]

@GHawk16 the 550lb/in spring is a good choice to preserve comfortable ride if you aren’t heavily loaded. You will know you have a 550in/lb spring if it’s marked 9.8 (kg/mm)

Most people and manufacturers don’t know that OE Tremor spring is 513lb/in.

For Tremor Stage 1, Elka ships with 550lb/in springs and Halo now ships with 650lb/in. Information on the Elka website is incorrect, i got this from them over the phone and in email.

I don’t know about the Stage 3 kits but I would expect them to be the same. Halo has better customer service and pricing. You can ask Halo for 550lb/in springs.

@GHawk16 could you post a pic of the position of the adjustment collar and your resulting measurements? If you have the 9.8kg/mm spring that will be helpful to understand how to set sag.

 

[GHawk16]

@GHawk16 the 550lb/in spring is a good choice to preserve comfortable ride if you aren’t heavily loaded. You will know you have a 550in/lb spring if it’s marked 9.8 (kg/mm)

Most people and manufacturers don’t know that OE Tremor spring is 513lb/in.

For Tremor Stage 1, Elka ships with 550lb/in springs and Halo now ships with 650lb/in. Information on the Elka website is incorrect, i got this from them over the phone and in email.

I don’t know about the Stage 3 kits but I would expect them to be the same. Halo has better customer service and pricing. You can ask Halo for 550lb/in springs.

@GHawk16 could you post a pic of the position of the adjustment collar and your resulting measurements? If you have the 9.8kg/mm spring that will be helpful to understand how to set sag.

My shocks were purchased from Halo Lifts last year. But I went thru the exchange process directly with Elka as I was originally given the wrong shocks. So that's how I ended up with the 550lb springs which I'm OK with. I don't have any additional weight and I've run stiffer springs before because of bumpers, winch, etc and wasn't a fan. So not having the 650# is fine with me. I have attached pics of my springs and where my passenger side is set. My driver is actually one turn more preload to help offset the weight of driver and gas tank on that side. I have not remeasured the final lift yet as I put a full tank in Sunday for my alignment on Monday. So I want to let the suspension settle and use up 3/4 tank of gas before I measure before and after. Tires were at 33psi, cold. So going to mimic the same, at the same point in a road near my house that is pretty flat. Also have pics from the sides I'll be taking using the asphalt break so the depth from the truck is the same.

As mentioned in a previous post, I may dial them down or up depending on sag of rear once my Decked is installed. I have a feeling I'll be adding either a bigger block or some different leaf packs to help lift the back so I can raise the front slightly. I'll have to chat with Kevin at Halo Lifts to see about the bigger block as I know he's been running a ton of weight in the back of his for a while with that.

 

[Tremgineer]

Righton @GHawk16 great info. Looking FWD to your 'controlled' pics. I believe that Kevin and TJ run RAS in the rear to support extra load and are happy with it.

 

[GHawk16]

Righton @GHawk16 great info. Looking FWD to your 'controlled' pics. I believe that Kevin and TJ run RAS in the rear to support extra load and are happy with it.

Actually, he is running a 2.5" block now. At least that's what I was told last week when I stopped by Halo to swap out my SPC UCA ball joints for the newer ones. I could be mistaken, but I believe he took the RAS off. Maybe he'll chime in.

 

[Tremgineer]

Actually, he is running a 2.5" block now. At least that's what I was told last week when I stopped by Halo to swap out my SPC UCA ball joints for the newer ones. I could be mistaken, but I believe he took the RAS off. Maybe he'll chime in.

If RAS was removed would love to know why. There has been a lot of evolution in this thread based on trial & error. For example 550lb/in springs are a newer consideration. The more we share the more we know

 

[FwtxTremor]

So I have the eibach pro 2 R rear shocks on my tremor. I am thinking I want to go with the halo for the front. Any reason why I wouldn’t want to run the mismatched set? They seem very comparable.