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Tremor versus Regular F150

There are lots more V6 used Tremors for sale because Ford sells waaaaaaaay more ecoboosts engines than anything else. Having owned 4 ecoboosts I will personally never go back to the V8. Only thing “better” is sound, and I prefer a quieter vehicle these days now anyways. More power and torque from the ecoboosts, and they are just as reliable. We run them in our F150 fleet vehicles and have seen many go over 200k with zero issues.

Definitely not worth stepping down to a 401a to get a V8
 
Machine said:
It may come down to driving/flying across the country to find what I want, or conceding some of what I want to the winds of reality. There really aren't many 402A V8 2023 Tremors out there that I can find (and I really appreciate those who have helped me look!) Even without some of the other features like the Trailer Tow Package and the Torsen (which I can add later), I may have to change what I'm looking for.

So the question becomes, do I go for V6 with 402A, or V8 with 401A? I know there are a lot of V6 fans here, but there are also a lot of used V6 Tremors out there, which is a bit concerning to me (whether that's warranted or not).
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Here’s the thing. We are talking about third gen ecoboosts. So the typical concerns are less relevant.
Everyone makes the 5.0 seem like it’s bullet proof. Well, that hasn’t been the case in my family. Ford just replaced the 5.0 in my father in law’s truck. It threw a rod through the block at 70,000 kms.
I realize this isn’t typical. But I also think a third gen 3.5 EB is going to be reliable enough for most people. I’m also weary of the cylinder deactivation on the 5.0.
So for me. I picked up a 2023 3.5EB 402a with torsen.
I would have picked the 5.0 if it was available because I know how rare they are. But is it way more reliable than a 3rd gen 3.5… probably not.
 
You have to provide a definition of reliability. Do you want it to go 100k miles with absolutely no issues and you don’t care after that or do you want a 300k mile engine but may need some warranty and other repairs along the way. Then you have to look at statistical data because anecdotes have little meaning. Everyone has heard of any engine dying right after they left the parking lot and lasting forever.
 
deepblack said:
You have to provide a definition of reliability. Do you want it to go 100k miles with absolutely no issues and you don’t care after that or do you want a 300k mile engine but may need some warranty and other repairs along the way. Then you have to look at statistical data because anecdotes have little meaning. Everyone has heard of any engine dying right after they left the parking lot and lasting forever.
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Fair point but both available engines in a newer generation with limited data on high mileage reliability.
Not fair to hold cam phaser failures against the new generation EB or assume the 5.0 cylinder deactivation system will be fault free for example.
My opinion both will be good to 200,000 miles at that point both trucks are essentially worthless from a value perspective and not many hold on to their trucks that long.
 
All good points, and I appreciate the insight and experiences! I'm not claiming that the V8 is some sort of 1000% bestest-most-perfectest-engine-ever or anything. My preference for V8s is based on data I've received from mechanics who've said that they don't see the V8s in for engine issues, but they do see the V6s. Now, as mentioned, that may be due to the higher number of V6s sold. But, I don't like the addition of turbos to achieve adequate horsepower. Additionally, for me, a guy who is still driving a 2001 Yukon with 243,000 miles on it (and who would be driving a 1993 Suburban except that the tranny gave out and I didn't have money to fix it or have it towed all over the place while I had to keep moving for med school and residency), I'm happy driving my vehicles into the ground (the Yukon's so rusty it's almost gone back to being iron ore...). While I imagine the V6 would work okay without the turbos, my information suggested (at the time and may still be true today) that the V8 is overall a more reliable engine. There may be some selection bias, but oh well.

The rest of the truck is basically the same so everything ELSE could go wrong with either one. :ROFLMAO:

In part, call me sentimental, I just want to get back the truck I spent time and effort building and customizing, or as close as possible.
 
EgoBoost said:
Fair point but both available engines in a newer generation with limited data on high mileage reliability.
Not fair to hold cam phaser failures against the new generation EB or assume the 5.0 cylinder deactivation system will be fault free for example.
My opinion both will be good to 200,000 miles at that point both trucks are essentially worthless from a value perspective and not many hold on to their trucks that long.
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The biggest issue with ecoboosts now is turbo failure, they are wear items. Before it was timing chains, phasers, and intake manifolds. The coyote had timing chains and oil usage but also fixed. If the owner understands and does the maintenance when it’s needed (Before the change oil light comes on), both engines will last longer than the rest of the vehicle. But most people don’t, they skip oil changes and don’t want to pay for the other maintenance items.

There is data available. Coyotes have lower warranty claims than the eco boost. Coyotes have fewer major repairs post 150k miles. In general a naturally aspirated gas engine will last longer with fewer issues than a supercharged or turbocharged engine.

So it really comes down to your purpose for the vehicle and picking the best engine based on that. For some the 3.5 is better and for some the Coyote is better. But neither is better for all situations. Most people just guess, or do what Instagram says, or pick whatever is in the lot with their favorite color.
 
Any consideration going with a 24+ and swapping headlights? Not sure how much of a task that would be, but at least it'd open up the years you can search for.

Good luck!
 
CMar said:
Any consideration going with a 24+ and swapping headlights? Not sure how much of a task that would be, but at least it'd open up the years you can search for.

Good luck!
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That's an option. I talked to Granger Ford and the consensus on the 2023s is that they are still too new to be selling on the used market at this time, so I imagine the same would be true for the 2024s, but I've started opening up the search criteria at this point so will add 2024s to the list.
 
Machine said:
That's an option. I talked to Granger Ford and the consensus on the 2023s is that they are still too new to be selling on the used market at this time, so I imagine the same would be true for the 2024s, but I've started opening up the search criteria at this point so will add 2024s to the list.
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@CMar the other consideration is that insurance may not give me enough to buy a 2024 if they're much more than a 2023. We'll see!
 
Machine said:
@CMar the other consideration is that insurance may not give me enough to buy a 2024 if they're much more than a 2023. We'll see!
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Sorry if you've already mentioned it, but have they told you it was totalled yet? When my Frontier was totalled I knew the amount I was getting within a few days. I did have an attorney due to injuries so I'm not sure if that expedited things.
 
CMar said:
Sorry if you've already mentioned it, but have they told you it was totalled yet? When my Frontier was totalled I knew the amount I was getting within a few days. I did have an attorney due to injuries so I'm not sure if that expedited things.
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They did tell me it was totaled, but the vehicles they were using as comparisons to determine the value were nothing like mine- they were V6 401a Tremors without the Trailer Tow package, Torsen, pro power, bed utility, and so on, so the pricing was much lower. I talked to an adjuster (my total loss adjuster was out of town last week) and gave him some closer comparisons and he said they'd re-evaluate, but I haven't heard back yet.
 
Wow! That's horrible! Hopefully they're properly valuing your damaged mods.

I had 3 days from the offer to accept and return the rental car.
 
b-real said:
There are lots more V6 used Tremors for sale because Ford sells waaaaaaaay more ecoboosts engines than anything else. Having owned 4 ecoboosts I will personally never go back to the V8. Only thing “better” is sound, and I prefer a quieter vehicle these days now anyways. More power and torque from the ecoboosts, and they are just as reliable. We run them in our F150 fleet vehicles and have seen many go over 200k with zero issues.

Definitely not worth stepping down to a 401a to get a V8
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Hi we have had this truck in now for 4 Th time had it scanned replaced spark plugs again and 4 coils
This was in nov last year and now it’s doing it again shaking shimmering when trying to go up in speed I’m sick of fixing this it was over a thousand last time
Proper spark plugs are being used
We are retired don’t have the money to keep fixing this sick of stopping to take truck out of town we need it as where we live we need to go out town for everything
Is there a recall or something from ford
Thanks
 
Chers said:
Hi we have had this truck in now for 4 Th time had it scanned replaced spark plugs again and 4 coils
This was in nov last year and now it’s doing it again shaking shimmering when trying to go up in speed I’m sick of fixing this it was over a thousand last time
Proper spark plugs are being used
We are retired don’t have the money to keep fixing this sick of stopping to take truck out of town we need it as where we live we need to go out town for everything
Is there a recall or something from ford
Thanks
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Need a bit more information on this truck! To help you. Year motor make more information.!!
 
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