Ford Performance Tune

[CAMDENN]

Sorry if this has been covered in the thread, but can anyone confirm that this would void or not the Ford Extended warranty? I got the 7year/100k from Granger and not willing to give that up.

I think you should give Granger a call to answer your question.

 

[Bannerman]

I think you should give Granger a call to answer your question.

Well the warranty is still through Ford but at the time this first came out, Zach said powertrain would no longer be covered. Was hoping the latest info may have changed.

 

[CAMDENN]

Well the warranty is still through Ford but at the time this first came out, Zach said powertrain would no longer be covered. Was hoping the latest info may have changed.

One would think that Ford or FPP would put out a definitive answer about this and how or if it would affect the standard or ESP warranty because it seems like every dealer has there own interpretation of what is and isn’t.

 

[Bannerman]

One would think that Ford or FPP would put out a definitive answer about this and how or if it would affect the standard or ESP warranty because it seems like every dealer has there own interpretation of what is and isn’t.

Thats what I was looking for. Not "my brothers neighbor is a the head cook and bottlewasher at the Italian place next to the Ford dealership and he said the warranty is intact".

 

[Moe7]

The contract language is pretty clear; attributed claims are excluded. In practice, this is the backstop and any discretionary coverage (i.e., what @TremorLucky heard) is the grey area that will always vary based on the dealership, details of the claim, and warranty center claim manager.

 

[Bannerman]

The contract language is pretty clear; attributed claims are excluded. In practice, this is the backstop and any discretionary coverage (i.e., what @TremorLucky heard) is the grey area that will always vary based on the dealership, details of the claim, and warranty center claim manager.

For daily driving I dont even care about the tune, but there are occasions where more torque earlier on would be advantageous.......

 

[Moe7]

For daily driving I dont even care about the tune, but there are occasions where more torque earlier on would be advantageous.......

I hear you, more low end torque never hurt anyone. We have the same ESP coverage so I understand the hesitation.

 

[zx12-iowa]

Ford is likely working on one for the 5.0, you can view in the 5.0 section. They did one on the ORV 5.0 SEMA truck. I’d expect the big gain to be the low end grunt, not so much top end power. They offer one for the Mustang GT that adds 40 lb ft @ 2,500 rpm. Only a 19 peak HP gain, the big gain is torque in the meat of the band for regular driving.

Just by the nature of the engine, it won’t have as much gain. It is what it is. The transmission logic and better shifting would still apply.

 

[zx12-iowa]

I emailed my service advisor at my dealer when the Ford tune first came out and I was reading this thread. My advisor said he would email his contact at Ford extended service and ask. My advisor said he is the "Manager of claims for the US, so I take his word as the word for the whole warranty." The email he shared with me from the guy at Ford extended service said this:

"The nice and short answer is anything damaged by any modification of any kind would not be coverable. My personal answer would be it may come down to the type of tune were getting. If its a basic say "stage 1" not upping boost, maybe sharper throttle response or something, it may be fine, but if it does effect the boost pressure and power output, the engine most likely wouldnt have any covered repairs if it did have a failure. The transmission should still be fine for coverage, as well as the drivetrain. I would not deny an automatic or a diff/tcase if an engine was tuned over."

Hope that helps!

While the language quotes is accurate (from their warranty language), in the real world Ford would cover most things even if there was some relationship to the tune. The language is drafted to by lawyers (like me) to allow Ford a rebuttable contractual presumption. This also can serve to deter customer from even filing a warranty.

Wording on paper is only one factor in litigation. In these type of documents, the uniform commercial code favors “the little guy” since the big company can use its power to slam terms on you that may. Or be “fair”. Also - The fact that ford is offering this through their website is likely the result of their satisfaction that it’s “safe”. The jury, and resulting public perception, would be extremely negative towards Ford if they denied a claim for a product they sold. Again - I guarantee there would be a lot of favorable/discoverable evidence and revealing information from their 30(b)(6) witnesses along with their fact witnesses.

So yes, while technically the word on the page could steer someone to believe the warranty is impacted, the reality is it likely isn’t.

 

[Moe7]

Also - The fact that ford is offering this through their website is likely the result of their satisfaction that it’s “safe”. The jury, and resulting public perception, would be extremely negative towards Ford if they denied a claim for a product they sold.

They lean on this point pretty hard -

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[Bannerman]

While the language quotes is accurate (from their warranty language), in the real world Ford would cover most things even if there was some relationship to the tune. The language is drafted to by lawyers (like me) to allow Ford a rebuttable contractual presumption. This also can serve to deter customer from even filing a warranty.

Wording on paper is only one factor in litigation. In these type of documents, the uniform commercial code favors “the little guy” since the big company can use its power to slam terms on you that may. Or be “fair”. Also - The fact that ford is offering this through their website is likely the result of their satisfaction that it’s “safe”. The jury, and resulting public perception, would be extremely negative towards Ford if they denied a claim for a product they sold. Again - I guarantee there would be a lot of favorable/discoverable evidence and revealing information from their 30(b)(6) witnesses along with their fact witnesses.

So yes, while technically the word on the page could steer someone to believe the warranty is impacted, the reality is it likely isn’t.

My wife is an attorney too but I can't afford her billable rate so I was afraid to ask her to review the warranty.

 

[pittman]

While the language quotes is accurate (from their warranty language), in the real world Ford would cover most things even if there was some relationship to the tune. The language is drafted to by lawyers (like me) to allow Ford a rebuttable contractual presumption. This also can serve to deter customer from even filing a warranty.

Wording on paper is only one factor in litigation. In these type of documents, the uniform commercial code favors “the little guy” since the big company can use its power to slam terms on you that may. Or be “fair”. Also - The fact that ford is offering this through their website is likely the result of their satisfaction that it’s “safe”. The jury, and resulting public perception, would be extremely negative towards Ford if they denied a claim for a product they sold. Again - I guarantee there would be a lot of favorable/discoverable evidence and revealing information from their 30(b)(6) witnesses along with their fact witnesses.

So yes, while technically the word on the page could steer someone to believe the warranty is impacted, the reality is it likely isn’t.

That makes a lot of sense.

My dealership was pretty clear that they wouldn't deny any warranty work because of the FP tune.

 

[CAMDENN]

That makes a lot of sense.

My dealership was pretty clear that they wouldn't deny any warranty work because of the FP tune.

Then it comes down to your word versus the dealer meaning…if you think the tune might have caused something to break and you want the dealer to cover the cost of repair but, the dealer says the tune didn’t cause the issue so you’re going to have to come out of pocket to pay for said repair.

I think this might be the big reason Ford really wants this tune installed on brand new vehicles.

Over time and with this tune, I really don’t think F150 owners will have any issues at all. Most of the issues with tunes comes from people wanting to search for more HP & TQ after the tune.

I guess only time and specific dealers will tell.

 

[zx12-iowa]

I have the ESP from Granger too. I asked my dealer about this tune. They looked into it and said any engine related issues would most likely not be covered, but any other non-engine issues would be covered.

They don’t know. In reality, ford would likely cover as it their tunes. Then you’d just sue them for selling an untested unreliable tune.

 

[Bourbonncigars]

Anyone heard anything about availability for 24's?

 

[zx12-iowa]

Anyone heard anything about availability for 24's?

Hearsay…but I read where a ‘24 owner called ford performance and asked. The answer was ford does have the ability but management is deciding if they want to make it available. I have no answer for “why”.

 

[Nickac]

I have an ESP and from California where this isn’t legal but have a way to get it. If I was to install it myself and say I have to take my truck to the dealer is there a way to reinstall the stock program without them ever knowing this was installed

 

[BigTremorEnergy]

I have an ESP and from California where this isn’t legal but have a way to get it. If I was to install it myself and say I have to take my truck to the dealer is there a way to reinstall the stock program without them ever knowing this was installed

To set it up you have to register with Ford Performance online where you lock the calibration to your VIN, so if that system is something that integrates with the regular dealer system that pulls info on your VIN you might be hosed. But that’s a pretty big if, it would not shock me if that’s totally separate from the regular dealer system. Maybe someone knows more about that. I’m not sure if the truck itself would retain record of being flashed.

 

[Moe7]

I have an ESP and from California where this isn’t legal but have a way to get it. If I was to install it myself and say I have to take my truck to the dealer is there a way to reinstall the stock program without them ever knowing this was installed

It's in Ford OASIS -

Ford Performance Tune-How will a Ford Tech Know?

I had the Ford Performance upgrade installed on my 2.3 22OBX 3 months ago by a Ford Dealer. Not my dealer because the tune had to be installed by an ASE certified tech and my dealer wasn’t approved for this. So I take my Bronco in for an oil change and tire rotation. About 45 minutes later the...

www.bronco6g.com

 

[TexasTea]

Another data point, service manager today actually recommended it... I said well doesn't that void my ESP... he said as long as it's installed by a authorized Ford tech there is no impact to your warranty....

I mostly agree, and I think it would be WILD for Ford to sell a product with their name and blessing, then say it also caused damage they won't cover under the vehicles ESP... and the letter of the law says they must PROVE a modification caused the damage...

Willing to bet if you showed them a please come to court paper they'd back off, but the service manager really gave the impression this just ain't gonna happen. He has the tune on hisown Bronco.