402A and Trailer Tow Package-Why?

[Bannerman]

I may be wrong, but I didn't think the 21 build and price actually added the full $1090 to my price. Of course, that could have been how I clicked on my options.

My '22 did.

 

[Moe7]

I may be wrong, but I didn't think the 21 build and price actually added the full $1090 to my price. Of course, that could have been how I clicked on my options.

Not sure when it changed, but it had been $1090 with 402A within the past 2 weeks. I initially left the package off my build, but added it back in at the $210 price.

 

[Muffin_Smasher]

I have a 402a on order, when I did my build recently with the dealer we added the $210 tow package but doing so removes the tow tech package confusing both of us, he couldn’t explain what it was adding or why it was removing the tow tech package which is already included in the 402a package.

Obviously if adding a $210 option will allow me to tow 3,000 more lbs above the 7,000 lbs base towing every single person would elect that option on a $60k+ truck……

I still have time to add this to my order, I guess I’ll be calling my dealer tomorrow to add this.

 

[Muffin_Smasher]

Now I’m kinda getting pissed, I’m going to call ford corporate tomorrow and figure out wtf is going on, will update this post after I get an answer.

No one knowing what an option does on a 60k+ purchase is stupid lol.

 

[Fozzy]

Wow, lots of posts I just read through. I am not familiar with the 2021/2022 powertrain. But in the past the 10R80 was cooled by a water to oil heat exchanger. Coolant from the radiator actually travels to the heat exchanger by the transmission. It heats a cold trans for better cold performance and MPG's. And in return cools the transmission when hot. For improved towing performance Ford added a larger radiator to help cool the transmission as it uses the coolant in the radiator to manage the transmission temps. Not the old school oil to air coolers they use to use in the Max/Tow Package. If this is still the case I am happy to pay $1090.00 for the radiator.

 

[Kdwright5407]

I have a 402a on order, when I did my build recently with the dealer we added the $210 tow package but doing so removes the tow tech package confusing both of us, he couldn’t explain what it was adding or why it was removing the tow tech package which is already included in the 402a package.

Obviously if adding a $210 option will allow me to tow 3,000 more lbs above the 7,000 lbs base towing every single person would elect that option on a $60k+ truck……

I still have time to add this to my order, I guess I’ll be calling my dealer tomorrow to add this.

If I'm not mistaken, the features from the Tow Technology Package are included if you have both 402A and Tow Package.

 

[Moe7]

I have a 402a on order, when I did my build recently with the dealer we added the $210 tow package but doing so removes the tow tech package confusing both of us, he couldn’t explain what it was adding or why it was removing the tow tech package which is already included in the 402a package.

Obviously if adding a $210 option will allow me to tow 3,000 more lbs above the 7,000 lbs base towing every single person would elect that option on a $60k+ truck……

I still have time to add this to my order, I guess I’ll be calling my dealer tomorrow to add this.

I spent some time researching this the other day, the most decisive resource I found was the following (credit to whoever posted this earlier):

https://www.f150gen14.com/forum/threads/towing-specs-consolidated-document-bumper-vs-class-iv-vs-tow-vs-max-tow-updated-doc-v4.1188/

Look at the PDF in the first post for a good breakdown

If true, this adds up to a slightly larger radiator and solid (vs. hollow) front sway bar. I accounted for all of the options in the Tow Tech Package being included in 402A + Trailer Tow Package. Either way, I was hesitant at $1080, but willing to take a chance at $210. Ford clearly dropped the ball on clarifying what should be an easy upsell (assuming there are indeed upgrades).

 

[Muskie]

I read this update and checked my order. I was charged $1090 for the towing package. I sure hope they adjust the price when it finally arrives. The $210 amount makes sense because most of the stuff is already included in the 402A package. I went to Ford build and price and built my truck again. The price for the towing package shows $210. My build sheet from the dealer shows $1090. Sure would be great to save $880.00.

 

[Bannerman]

I read this update and checked my order. I was charged $1090 for the towing package. I sure hope they adjust the price when it finally arrives. The $210 amount makes sense because most of the stuff is already included in the 402A package. I went to Ford build and price and built my truck again. The price for the towing package shows $210. My build sheet from the dealer shows $1090. Sure would be great to save $880.00.

I was going to drop it from my order but since I ordered before the baseline price increase of $880 on 12/27 it just didn't make sense to redo the order and be subject to new pricing. But it would be awesome if there were a price adjustment when I go to pick it up.

 

[raymonjd]

Wow my build was done on the 2021 build sheet but moved to 2022 in December. If I had known the trailer tow package was only $210 and not $1090 I would have for sure added it. From the sticker on a 2021 402A it was $1090 on top of the tow tech package that is included. I asked my dealer about it but he really had no idea what he was talking about. ugh

 

[Cranbery]

Wow my build was done on the 2021 build sheet but moved to 2022 in December. If I had known the trailer tow package was only $210 and not $1090 I would have for sure added it. From the sticker on a 2021 402A it was $1090 on top of the tow tech package that is included. I asked my dealer about it but he really had no idea what he was talking about. ugh

My 22 shows it at $1090 and my PA is signed. Will ask Granger when I pick it up.

 

[Bannerman]

My 22 shows it at $1090 and my PA is signed. Will ask Granger when I pick it up.

same but we were early '22s

 

[Muffin_Smasher]

If true, this adds up to a slightly larger radiator and solid (vs. hollow) front sway bar. I accounted for all of the options in the Tow Tech Package being included in 402A + Trailer Tow Package. Either way, I was hesitant at $1080, but willing to take a chance at $210. Ford clearly dropped the ball on clarifying what should be an easy upsell (assuming there are indeed upgrades).

Thanks for the info, i've been on the phone with Ford corporate today and haven't yet found documentation that clearly explains the difference between the following on a 402A Tremor:
Trailer Tow Package ($210 option) vs Tow Tech Package (included in 402A package)

I was told in very clear terms that the tow rating is EXACTLY the same on a 402A Tremor with either the Tow Tech Package or the Trailer Tow Package (haven't found paper documentation to confirm)

This leads me to believe the $210 difference is either the Tailgate LED or the 4-pin/7-pin wiring harness, given the cost i feel like it might just be an adapter for wiring either a 4-pin vs 7-pin trailer

edit: just wanted to add if you are getting a 401A Tremor you may NEED to add one of the two packages above to get the highest tow rating possible

 

[DRvampTremor150]

Thanks for the info, i've been on the phone with Ford corporate today and haven't yet found documentation that clearly explains the difference between the following on a 402A Tremor:
Trailer Tow Package ($210 option) vs Tow Tech Package (included in 402A package)

I was told in very clear terms that the tow rating is EXACTLY the same on a 402A Tremor with either the Tow Tech Package or the Trailer Tow Package (haven't found paper documentation to confirm)

This leads me to believe the $210 difference is either the Tailgate LED or the 4-pin/7-pin wiring harness, given the cost i feel like it might just be an adapter for wiring either a 4-pin vs 7-pin trailer

edit: just wanted to add if you are getting a 401A Tremor you may NEED to add one of the two packages above to get the highest tow rating possible

I’m not contradicting you, but still doesn’t make sense, tow tech and tow package mean someone is going to be towing some shit and if there is a difference of 4,000 pounds between the two they would have and should have said something. Obviously Ford wants more money so if there was more tow rating on the tow package they would have said it in plain English!

 

[Muffin_Smasher]

I’m not contradicting you, but still doesn’t make sense, tow tech and tow package mean someone is going to be towing some shit and if there is a difference of 4,000 pounds between the two they would have and should have said something. Obviously Ford wants more money so if there was more tow rating on the tow package they would have said it in plain English!

I agree completely and I’m still trying to find written confirmation of what they told me. There is no max towing option for the Tremor. Perhaps both the tow tech package and tow trailer package increase you to the max possible towing for the tremor (which is less than other f150 models) so as long as you get one or the other you are getting the max.

I’ll keep hunting, not sure it’s worth going through customer relations again. I think I would need to talk to an engineer who actually worked on the Tremor at this point.

 

[RotorHead695]

I’m not contradicting you, but still doesn’t make sense, tow tech and tow package mean someone is going to be towing some shit and if there is a difference of 4,000 pounds between the two they would have and should have said something. Obviously Ford wants more money so if there was more tow rating on the tow package they would have said it in plain English!

I agree....marketing is not getting the information from the engineers and communicating it well. You have to read the sub notes in the towing guide to find the requirement.

 

[High_Country]

I agree....marketing is not getting the information from the engineers and communicating it well. You have to read the sub notes in the towing guide to find the requirement.

And even then, you have to trust that the folks publishing the towing guide had it straight or correct.

 

[Pierless]

Dumb question - what is the outcome of towing more than "allowed"? Blown radiator? Transmission? Only liable in an accident?

May be a dumb thought but maybe we can test our hypothesis by calling a few Ford dealerships service dept and explain our situation / scenario and ask if it's covered under warranty

But would need a VIN with similar specs to make it believable...

1) have a tremor 401a package with trailer tow, was towing 9,000 pounds from x to y and *insert issue that would come from towing too much* -- is this covered by warranty?

2) same as above but have tow tech package

Or anyone have to prepaid/free legal support through work that wants to reach out and see if it can be solved? Under the premise that you don't want to be held liable for towing more than it's "spec's" for...

This thread is killing me.

 

[RotorHead695]

And even then, you have to trust that the folks publishing the towing guide had it straight or correct.

I tend to trust it given that is has all of the variables from all of the models listed in a nice table. Some engineer went out of their way to create a subnote saying if you have an 3.5 EB that it's required. What I don't trust is some salesman saying, "You'll be fine!" I've talked to enough salesmen who didn't know shit that I do my own research. The only thing salesmen are good for is negotiating with the sales manager.

 

[RotorHead695]

Dumb question - what is the outcome of towing more than "allowed"? Blown radiator? Transmission? Only liable in an accident?

May be a dumb thought but maybe we can test our hypothesis by calling a few Ford dealerships service dept and explain our situation / scenario and ask if it's covered under warranty

But would need a VIN with similar specs to make it believable...

1) have a tremor 401a package with trailer tow, was towing 9,000 pounds from x to y and *insert issue that would come from towing too much* -- is this covered by warranty?

2) same as above but have tow tech package

Or anyone have to prepaid/free legal support through work that wants to reach out and see if it can be solved? Under the premise that you don't want to be held liable for towing more than it's "spec's" for...

This thread is killing me.

I've done enough research on forums to believe its a bigger radiator and a different sway bar and that's about it. Before the 10-speed transmissions, it also added trans coolers. I guess it all depends on how much risk a person is willing to take. $1k to guarantee I can tow the max on a $70K truck is easily justifiable to me. Hell...I've even had high temps without towing, so the radiator is enough for me.